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In the past five years or so I've ran a couple 6-month cycles. First started out doing the time on + time off protocol, then hit the 6-month straight style. I took a break for a year or so within that 5-year period, came back and decided to stay on cycle for almost 2-years now. I'd like a good pct protocol from good bros, can read anything online, but I'm want to be part of my home here. Besides that, what are everyone's opinions on whether I can regain my old test level???? ( 46 years old).
 

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In the past five years or so I've ran a couple 6-month cycles. First started out doing the time on + time off protocol, then hit the 6-month straight style. I took a break for a year or so within that 5-year period, came back and decided to stay on cycle for almost 2-years now. I'd like a good pct protocol from good bros, can read anything online, but I'm want to be part of my home here. Besides that, what are everyone's opinions on whether I can regain my old test level???? ( 46 years old).
PCT... its to easy, you get on AAS, let your body think its HPTA has 'normalized' around the bio-idenctical hormones...and then you just pop a couple of chosen pills and your endocrine system normalizes??. Its too easy , and a big fallacy.
You certainly can get off, your system will pick back up but it will take a long time to get you where you would have been at 46yrs old had you not been using.
PCT work while you take them but will stop working when you stop using them. (Many will dispute this fact but PCT as we have come to know, is a short term solution that will disrupt your HPTA recovery further than it is already). Its only benefit is the psychological boost it gives knowing you have done what you need to restore your function. Unfortunately, lab tests will show otherwise.
Getting off requires planning and commitment.
In brief, you will need to get your body to normalize around its natural production level. Meaning for a period of 6 month you will homeostas around 6mg-8mg of the synthetic molecule. This will do 2 things keep you functioning as non andropausal male... and remind your body where it needs to be in terms of serum levels.
Transitioning off after that is MUUUCH easier as you have taught your body where it needs to be.
Done correctly, in 3 month your will be producing you own T provided you maintain a healthy lifestyle, To get you back close to 90% of where you would have been as a 47 year old , it will take another 3 month usually... and the last 10% will come with time depending on your lifestyle.
PCT and SERMS work GREAT! while you take them, or until there effect wears off...
They have NO long term restorative effect .
This is just a guideline, GETTING OFF protocol will have to be customized for you.
Im no medical doctor, information is for entertainment purposes only.
 

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PCT... its to easy, you get on AAS, let your body think its HPTA has 'normalized' around the bio-idenctical hormones...and then you just pop a couple of chosen pills and your endocrine system normalizes??. Its too easy , and a big fallacy.
You certainly can get off, your system will pick back up but it will take a long time to get you where you would have been at 46yrs old had you not been using.
PCT work while you take them but will stop working when you stop using them. (Many will dispute this fact but PCT as we have come to know, is a short term solution that will disrupt your HPTA recovery further than it is already). Its only benefit is the psychological boost it gives knowing you have done what you need to restore your function. Unfortunately, lab tests will show otherwise.
Getting off requires planning and commitment.
In brief, you will need to get your body to normalize around its natural production level. Meaning for a period of 6 month you will homeostas around 6mg-8mg of the synthetic molecule. This will do 2 things keep you functioning as non andropausal male... and remind your body where it needs to be in terms of serum levels.
Transitioning off after that is MUUUCH easier as you have taught your body where it needs to be.
Done correctly, in 3 month your will be producing you own T provided you maintain a healthy lifestyle, To get you back close to 90% of where you would have been as a 47 year old , it will take another 3 month usually... and the last 10% will come with time depending on your lifestyle.
PCT and SERMS work GREAT! while you take them, or until there effect wears off...
They have NO long term restorative effect .
This is just a guideline, GETTING OFF protocol will have to be customized for you.
Im no medical doctor, information is for entertainment purposes only.
I got my popcorn ready for this thread
 
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May I ask why you are wanting to go back to normal test production? At 46 yo old you might as well just go on trt. 2 ways of doing this on your own or through a doctor.
If you go through a doctor stop running any gear for a month or so go to your doctor tell him you have trouble performing in bed, your always tired, and just dont feel like yourself. The dr will do blood tests and probably prescribe you test.

If you do it on your own I would start out at 150mg of either test-e or test-c a week get bloods done fairly regularly for the first year until you get your dosage and ai protical dialed in

There are advantages and disadvantages to both methods
 

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May I ask why you are wanting to go back to normal test production? At 46 yo old you might as well just go on trt. 2 ways of doing this on your own or through a doctor.
If you go through a doctor stop running any gear for a month or so go to your doctor tell him you have trouble performing in bed, your always tired, and just dont feel like yourself. The dr will do blood tests and probably prescribe you test.

If you do it on your own I would start out at 150mg of either test-e or test-c a week get bloods done fairly regularly for the first year until you get your dosage and ai protical dialed in

There are advantages and disadvantages to both methods
Honestly I hate when people say this. If I could have a test level of 650 naturally or a test level of 650 on TRT why would I want to go through the expense, PITA, and potential health issues with TRT?
 

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Honestly I hate when people say this. If I could have a test level of 650 naturally or a test level of 650 on TRT why would I want to go through the expense, PITA, and potential health issues with TRT?
his chances of 650 test without trt is zero imo
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ha. with trt (100mg week) mine is at 468. next visit I am going to try to talk GP into bumping to 150. if not cool with it I will go see a specialist.
 

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ha. with trt (100mg week) mine is at 468. next visit I am going to try to talk GP into bumping to 150. if not cool with it I will go see a specialist.
How many times do you inject per week. 1 shot at 100mg/week puts me at 1100 after 2 days and in the low 400's after a week. Doing daily injections of 15mg/day keeps me in the mid 800's.
 

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his chances of 650 test without trt is zero imo
-F2S
Im his age and have done plenty of cycles and thats where my levels are. I have never "cruised" but i have taken my test to almost 0 plenty of times. He should at least try to restart the HPTA
 

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PCT... its to easy, you get on AAS, let your body think its HPTA has 'normalized' around the bio-idenctical hormones...and then you just pop a couple of chosen pills and your endocrine system normalizes??. Its too easy , and a big fallacy.
You certainly can get off, your system will pick back up but it will take a long time to get you where you would have been at 46yrs old had you not been using.
PCT work while you take them but will stop working when you stop using them. (Many will dispute this fact but PCT as we have come to know, is a short term solution that will disrupt your HPTA recovery further than it is already). Its only benefit is the psychological boost it gives knowing you have done what you need to restore your function. Unfortunately, lab tests will show otherwise.
Getting off requires planning and commitment.
In brief, you will need to get your body to normalize around its natural production level. Meaning for a period of 6 month you will homeostas around 6mg-8mg of the synthetic molecule. This will do 2 things keep you functioning as non andropausal male... and remind your body where it needs to be in terms of serum levels.
Transitioning off after that is MUUUCH easier as you have taught your body where it needs to be.
Done correctly, in 3 month your will be producing you own T provided you maintain a healthy lifestyle, To get you back close to 90% of where you would have been as a 47 year old , it will take another 3 month usually... and the last 10% will come with time depending on your lifestyle.
PCT and SERMS work GREAT! while you take them, or until there effect wears off...
They have NO long term restorative effect .
This is just a guideline, GETTING OFF protocol will have to be customized for you.
Im no medical doctor, information is for entertainment purposes only.
very interesting approach Rogue.

i know this isn't exactly what you're recommending but i remember a guy named "prisoner22" or something along those lines over on the t mag forums talking about tapering down your test when you want to get off rather than using the typical ancillary pct drugs. a number of guys he ended up helping swore by the results..
 

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How many times do you inject per week. 1 shot at 100mg/week puts me at 1100 after 2 days and in the low 400's after a week. Doing daily injections of 15mg/day keeps me in the mid 800's.
twice a week. usually sun/weds. may look into what you are doing to see what happens.
 

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In the past five years or so I've ran a couple 6-month cycles. First started out doing the time on + time off protocol, then hit the 6-month straight style. I took a break for a year or so within that 5-year period, came back and decided to stay on cycle for almost 2-years now. I'd like a good pct protocol from good bros, can read anything online, but I'm want to be part of my home here. Besides that, what are everyone's opinions on whether I can regain my old test level???? ( 46 years old).
I did 9 months natural with 4 months of clomid and nolvadex. My testosterone did nothing. I was 50. My body felt like I was a hundred years old and I was extremely mellow, lifeless, like a great grandpa in his rocking chair.
I did high doses of AAS for 23 years so there’s no chance of natural testosterone production for me.
At 46, I’d just go get on doctor prescribed TRT or do it yourself. Just my opinion.
 

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Good looking out....

I Feel like I'm in good hands with this board. Shout out to Rogue and johnjuanb1 because you guys really got me thinking. And to all the rest .....noice!!! To my understanding you can get on TRT from your doctor simply by coming off cycle, waiting a few weeks, then go and get your t-levels tested at the clinic. . Well naturally T-levels are going to be low. Then when he or she says we need to retest you in a month or so, repeat the same: come off cycle and submit the blood when you know you are going to be low - bang! TRT. .... My problem is with going through all the UGL . headaches. I mean it's probably better to just brew your own shit rather than relying on others. I have a solid source so far. But nothing like I've had in years past. Been "on" too long or feeling like I've been getting underdosed crap too long.......Thanks gents.....Xtreme
 

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I Feel like I'm in good hands with this board. Shout out to Rogue and johnjuanb1 because you guys really got me thinking. And to all the rest .....noice!!! To my understanding you can get on TRT from your doctor simply by coming off cycle, waiting a few weeks, then go and get your t-levels tested at the clinic. . Well naturally T-levels are going to be low. Then when he or she says we need to retest you in a month or so, repeat the same: come off cycle and submit the blood when you know you are going to be low - bang! TRT. .... My problem is with going through all the UGL . headaches. I mean it's probably better to just brew your own shit rather than relying on others. I have a solid source so far. But nothing like I've had in years past. Been "on" too long or feeling like I've been getting underdosed crap too long.......Thanks gents.....Xtreme
Dude! I feel like now a days you almost have to go out of your way to get underdosed test with all the great sources om this forum. This isnt even my home board, but i recognize many of the sponsors here. Forums have been lab testing sources left and right. Occasionally youll see some anavar come back low, or maybe a blend will come back off, but test?? Nah man its not hard to get very legit test. Almost to the point where you could throw a dart at a dart board worth of sources.
A few years ago i bought some raws and brewed a batch of test e i dosed at 200mg/ml for my trt. I made up about a 100 bottles of that shit. Based on all the bloodwork i got, the raws were most definitely 99%. Completely painless. To this day that batch i made was IMO the best test i ever used. It was a peice of cake, and each bottle worked out to being about $7 a peice.

All I'm trying to say, is its VERY easy to get copious amounts of absolute pure testosterone when we have access to glorious forums like this one.
 

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PCT... its to easy, you get on AAS, let your body think its HPTA has 'normalized' around the bio-idenctical hormones...and then you just pop a couple of chosen pills and your endocrine system normalizes??. Its too easy , and a big fallacy.
You certainly can get off, your system will pick back up but it will take a long time to get you where you would have been at 46yrs old had you not been using.
PCT work while you take them but will stop working when you stop using them. (Many will dispute this fact but PCT as we have come to know, is a short term solution that will disrupt your HPTA recovery further than it is already). Its only benefit is the psychological boost it gives knowing you have done what you need to restore your function. Unfortunately, lab tests will show otherwise.
Getting off requires planning and commitment.
In brief, you will need to get your body to normalize around its natural production level. Meaning for a period of 6 month you will homeostas around 6mg-8mg of the synthetic molecule. This will do 2 things keep you functioning as non andropausal male... and remind your body where it needs to be in terms of serum levels.
Transitioning off after that is MUUUCH easier as you have taught your body where it needs to be.
Done correctly, in 3 month your will be producing you own T provided you maintain a healthy lifestyle, To get you back close to 90% of where you would have been as a 47 year old , it will take another 3 month usually... and the last 10% will come with time depending on your lifestyle.
PCT and SERMS work GREAT! while you take them, or until there effect wears off...
They have NO long term restorative effect .
This is just a guideline, GETTING OFF protocol will have to be customized for you.
Im no medical doctor, information is for entertainment purposes only.
Nonsense.

Where is your evidence that your endogenous Test levels will go back to hypogonadal levels after using PCT drugs?

There are studies with 3, 6 and 9 month washout periods still showing healthy endogenous Test levels.
 

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Dude! I feel like now a days you almost have to go out of your way to get underdosed test with all the great sources om this forum. This isnt even my home board, but i recognize many of the sponsors here. Forums have been lab testing sources left and right. Occasionally youll see some anavar come back low, or maybe a blend will come back off, but test?? Nah man its not hard to get very legit test. Almost to the point where you could throw a dart at a dart board worth of sources.
A few years ago i bought some raws and brewed a batch of test e i dosed at 200mg/ml for my trt. I made up about a 100 bottles of that shit. Based on all the bloodwork i got, the raws were most definitely 99%. Completely painless. To this day that batch i made was IMO the best test i ever used. It was a peice of cake, and each bottle worked out to being about $7 a peice.

All I'm trying to say, is its VERY easy to get copious amounts of absolute pure testosterone when we have access to glorious forums like this one.


I agree.
with all the good sources for finished gear and raw sources available and the ease of homebrewing you should never have a problem finding or brewing test. I personally homebrew all my own gear including capping my own orals. The best part of homebrewing is being able to brew my own custom blends for any cycle I want to run
 

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I agree.
with all the good sources for finished gear and raw sources available and the ease of homebrewing you should never have a problem finding or brewing test. I personally homebrew all my own gear including capping my own orals. The best part of homebrewing is being able to brew my own custom blends for any cycle I want to run
Well I recently got some 50ml jugs and decided to break them down by filtering it myself. Wasn't too hard. I've been hospitalized in the past for a nasty abscess due my own stupidity, but that one experience threw me over into paranoia concerning sterility. If I try a new source I always filter. Concerning the availability of good test, it does seem good n plentiful these days....
 

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Nonsense.

Where is your evidence that your endogenous Test levels will go back to hypogonadal levels after using PCT drugs?


There are studies with 3, 6 and 9 month washout periods still showing healthy endogenous Test levels.
There is also no definitive studies of the opposite to be true either, what you are referring to could have been achieved without a PCT or the associated stresses/side effects associated with these compounds. There are unique scenarios where certain elements of a PCT are required but thats individual and rare at best.
Numerous anecdotal evidence from credible boards like this one and others involving lab works on this matter confirms that the "generic" use of a PCT as your are referring to is a hit and miss situation with odds against such protocols and that pre-PED hormone levels have not been duplicated due to the use of the exogenous compounds... If this is acceptable level, then by all means use these historic protocols brought forth by DD in the early 80's.
The point I am trying to communicate is that discontinuation of PED's with hopes of returning to levels close to where you would have been had you NOT used ...is much more likely to succeed than the transition from a SUPRA-PHYSIOLOGICAL dose regardless of how strategic your PCT may be.
Normal HPTA function, is CULTIVATED not forced by "Jump starting" anything...
There are certain drugs that can be implemented for "support ONLY", but they are NOT referred to as a PCT in our circles.
All information presented is for entertainment purposes ONLY, I am NOT a medical practitioner.
 

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There is also no definitive studies of the opposite to be true either, what you are referring to could have been achieved without a PCT or the associated stresses/side effects associated with these compounds. There are unique scenarios where certain elements of a PCT are required but thats individual and rare at best.
Numerous anecdotal evidence from credible boards like this one and others involving lab works on this matter confirms that the "generic" use of a PCT as your are referring to is a hit and miss situation with odds against such protocols and that pre-PED hormone levels have not been duplicated due to the use of the exogenous compounds... If this is acceptable level, then by all means use these historic protocols brought forth by DD in the early 80's.
The point I am trying to communicate is that discontinuation of PED's with hopes of returning to levels close to where you would have been had you NOT used ...is much more likely to succeed than the transition from a SUPRA-PHYSIOLOGICAL dose regardless of how strategic your PCT may be.
Normal HPTA function, is CULTIVATED not forced by "Jump starting" anything...
There are certain drugs that can be implemented for "support ONLY", but they are NOT referred to as a PCT in our circles.
All information presented is for entertainment purposes ONLY, I am NOT a medical practitioner.
Evidence of absence is not absence of evidence. You have provided no examples or medical data suggesting endogenous Test levels will fall below pre AAS levels or even decline at all after SERM usage.

Its not rare to have low levels of endogenous testosterone post AAS usage. Its going to happen to a male human being. Their natural testosterone levels will be inhabited or "shutdown" after AAS use. Thats a fact.

In most cases, your body will restart the HPTA after using AAS, but its going to take longer when compared to another individual using SERMs and HCG. Thats exactly what they're used for, to "jump start" the entire regulatory mechanism of Testosterone.

Enough studies exist on eugondal males given Clomiphene, Tamoxifen, other SERMs and HCG to formulate the opinion these drugs help raise testosterone levels in those hypogonadal. And this is not date from the 1980's. More recent studies have been done examining the rise of Test from as recently as 2016 I can find.

Yes, you will get to point B from point A, but I'd rather get there faster and avoid the side effects of low testosterone.

HCG should be used to prevent testicular dysfunction when using AAS, then PCT conducted with SERMs for a period of 6-8 weeks after the cessation of AAS.
 

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only 1 way to find out where u will be natty.
get some hcg, 500 a week for 6 weeks.
in the 4th week start clomid 40 a day. do that for 2 months.
then get a blood test.
if u dont bounce back all u lost was 3 months of an experiment and then u can go the trt route.
make sure the pct drugs are legit tho.
keep liftin heavy, just lower the volume during this.
 

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