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Interested to hear other member's experiences thoughts on how long they have been using gear, what net results they have gotten from it (e.g. pounds of muscle gained or strength gained, etc.) and the side effects. If you think it's been worth it.
I remember talking to a friend of mine a year or two ago who competes. His coach uses gear and apparently felt he could have competed around 150 naturally but now being on gear + GH he competes at 165. He's around 5'6" I believe. I remember thinking it was ridiculous that with all he was using (up to 2g gear and I think moderate amounts of GH) he only put on 15lb. Then my friend explained how if you think about it if he put on 30+lb he would be an IFBB pro so it's really not that ridiculous and most with truly average genetics would be lucky to net 15lb of stage weight with just gear (i.e. not massive doses of slin + GH and anything else). In thinking about it that does make sense.
I've been using gear for a little over 2 years now. First year or so was somewhat foolish, mostly figuring things out. Now I have about 15lb of muscle added at the same body fat compared to when I started. Now while that has made a big difference sometimes I think about it...if I stayed completely natural I probably could have put on 5-7lb of muscle in the last 2 years. So essentially the gear has put me 8-10lb ahead of where I would have been. Originally going on seemed like the right choice because my goals are likely not attainable naturally, but when I think about what has gone into it: 3 years of countless hours researching studies, full books on gear, 1000's of posts, a few thousand dollars, 15-20 blood tests, many extra doctor's visits to get scripts, a lot of stress, etc.
Now that itself is a lot BUT I have goals and am willing to work for them. The effort is fine with me. When it comes to the side effects however, I've started to feel much worse about their potential. Maybe it's going into a medical profession that has thrown it more in my face but now it seems anything that is less than optimal freaks me out. Outwardly I have been very lucky....No hair loss, no acne, no lasting gyno, BP is 105/65 right now even mid-cycle, RHR ~45-50bpm. Even bloodwork tends to be pretty good except on orals or tren, both of which I will not use again. Sticking to safer injectables. But I wonder what is going on that is not being seen. Atherosclerosis for example is not going to be picked up on bloodwork. I just had a liver ultrasound showing no masses or anything but they did note it was 17.7cm which, after looking up normal sizes, is pretty large so that itself worries me.
All in all, just curious what you experienced guys have netted from gear, if you think it's been worth it (i.e. would you make the same choice) and if you have noticeable long term side effects. Not that you'd know about all the potential damage done anyway but still curious. I am really starting to reconsider things given how I've been feeling about it, I've gone from being excited to be on gear to just feeling "off" like it's not right and I'm only hurting myself. Having said that, bodybuilding is a passion of mine even though I don't compete, and consigning myself to basically make no more true/significant progress if I come off gear is a very tough decision to make.
Interested in everyone's input.
I remember talking to a friend of mine a year or two ago who competes. His coach uses gear and apparently felt he could have competed around 150 naturally but now being on gear + GH he competes at 165. He's around 5'6" I believe. I remember thinking it was ridiculous that with all he was using (up to 2g gear and I think moderate amounts of GH) he only put on 15lb. Then my friend explained how if you think about it if he put on 30+lb he would be an IFBB pro so it's really not that ridiculous and most with truly average genetics would be lucky to net 15lb of stage weight with just gear (i.e. not massive doses of slin + GH and anything else). In thinking about it that does make sense.
I've been using gear for a little over 2 years now. First year or so was somewhat foolish, mostly figuring things out. Now I have about 15lb of muscle added at the same body fat compared to when I started. Now while that has made a big difference sometimes I think about it...if I stayed completely natural I probably could have put on 5-7lb of muscle in the last 2 years. So essentially the gear has put me 8-10lb ahead of where I would have been. Originally going on seemed like the right choice because my goals are likely not attainable naturally, but when I think about what has gone into it: 3 years of countless hours researching studies, full books on gear, 1000's of posts, a few thousand dollars, 15-20 blood tests, many extra doctor's visits to get scripts, a lot of stress, etc.
Now that itself is a lot BUT I have goals and am willing to work for them. The effort is fine with me. When it comes to the side effects however, I've started to feel much worse about their potential. Maybe it's going into a medical profession that has thrown it more in my face but now it seems anything that is less than optimal freaks me out. Outwardly I have been very lucky....No hair loss, no acne, no lasting gyno, BP is 105/65 right now even mid-cycle, RHR ~45-50bpm. Even bloodwork tends to be pretty good except on orals or tren, both of which I will not use again. Sticking to safer injectables. But I wonder what is going on that is not being seen. Atherosclerosis for example is not going to be picked up on bloodwork. I just had a liver ultrasound showing no masses or anything but they did note it was 17.7cm which, after looking up normal sizes, is pretty large so that itself worries me.
All in all, just curious what you experienced guys have netted from gear, if you think it's been worth it (i.e. would you make the same choice) and if you have noticeable long term side effects. Not that you'd know about all the potential damage done anyway but still curious. I am really starting to reconsider things given how I've been feeling about it, I've gone from being excited to be on gear to just feeling "off" like it's not right and I'm only hurting myself. Having said that, bodybuilding is a passion of mine even though I don't compete, and consigning myself to basically make no more true/significant progress if I come off gear is a very tough decision to make.
Interested in everyone's input.