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New Bicep Tendon Surgery !!!

IRON MAN

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I just had a new bicep tendon surgery called a ( BUTTON HOOK) to re-attach the bicep tendon to my elbow area. They drilled a hole in the bone and pulled the bicep tendon through the bone anchoring it on the other side with a piece of metal they call a button hook. This is an new innovative technique my doctor in Knoxville T.N. invented and it's not being done anywhere else to my knowledge at this present time!!!!!! I will be back to lifting heavy in 3 months as opposed to 6 months with the usual surgery most othopedics are still using.

I'll tell everyone where I believe I may have went wrong and how you guys can hopefully avoid tearing a bicep tendon because it's hurts like crazy when it pops. This is no fun let me tell you and my arm is throbbing like a tooth ache.:eek:

In a nutshell my biceps are very large (22 inch guns) and they over powered the tendons at my age (40 years old). In addition I have been using quite a bit of TEST for some time now and I should have been cycling low amounts of test with high dosages of anaboilcs from time to time to build up those tendons but I did not do so because I like the size and sex drive the large dosages of test gave me..SOUND FAMILAR? In addition GH causes carpal tunnel for some and my right wrist has a very mild case of carpal tunnel so I have been steering clear of GH.

Heres a good article everyone should read if you have not!!!!



"Tendon Health"

While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.

Mudge 12-08-2003 11:40 AM
 
HEY! I HAD MY RIGHT BICEP REPAIRED...THEY DRILLED A HOLE IN THE BONE AND REATTCHED!

MY LEFT ONE IS ABOUT READY TO RIP OFF...SO IF YOU GET A CHANCE FIRE ME A PM....SO I CAN VISIT YOUR DOC WHEN IT HAPPENS! A FELLA'S GOTTA BE PREPARED FOR THE WORST! LOL....I AM SERIOUS THOUGH...I'D LIKE THE NAME OF YOUR DOC.
 
when you say you where on high test- what mg where you doing weekly or per day? And what was your favorit
 
REPAIRED BI!!!

I ALSO HAD MY RIGHT BI REPAIRED JUST LIKE JETHRO TULL, IT SUCKED ASS TOOK ME A COMPLETE YEAR TO GET PAIN FREE WORKOUTS AGAIN... GOOD LUCK BRO...:cool:
 
The doctors name..

The doctors name is EDWIN EARL SPENCER J.R. He's located at Knoxville T.N. ORTHOPEDIC CLINIC. He graduated from DUKE and has performed over 50 of these bicep tendon repairs with the patients recovering 100%.His specialty is shoulder surgey/rotator cuff and has fixed several pec tears as well.

His Phone number is 1-800-535-9954. My surgery was performed at St. Mary's hospital. The nurses at the hospital told me he was one of these doc's that was so good the patients never had any post operative problems like so many other doctors do this day and time.

Doctor Spencer also works out and I'm putting him on the IRON MAN program. He said he couldnt get over how big my muscles where and that it's no wonder the bicep tendon was struggling to keep up at my age. He agreed with me that cables would be the way to go from here on out with bicep work so I don't hurt them again.

I plan to take some "anavar" to speed recovery and keep the test at hrt level (200 mgs per week).
 
i torn my distal bicep tendon last november. had surgery 6 day later. i had the same procedure. the endo button technique. had a cast on for ten days, then with limited movement for 4 weeks. i went for my 2 moths post opt. 2 weeks ago and he said i can use light weight now. im so paranoid with re-injuring it. ive been taking joint medicine and im on a 21 day theropy of Aflutop. man did it hurt when it happened. i layed down for like 15 minutes and then drove home shifting gears with the same arm.
 
I tore the inner part that ties into the chest - what the coracealis. Heard a real load pop while benching, my partner pulled it off me that moment after he heard it.
That was 2 years ago and never have much problem with it
 
IRON MAN said:
I just had a new bicep tendon surgery called a ( BUTTON HOOK) to re-attach the bicep tendon to my elbow area. They drilled a hole in the bone and pulled the bicep tendon through the bone anchoring it on the other side with a piece of metal they call a button hook. This is an new innovative technique my doctor in Knoxville T.N. invented and it's not being done anywhere else to my knowledge at this present time!!!!!! I will be back to lifting heavy in 3 months as opposed to 6 months with the usual surgery most othopedics are still using.

I'll tell everyone where I believe I may have went wrong and how you guys can hopefully avoid tearing a bicep tendon because it's hurts like crazy when it pops. This is no fun let me tell you and my arm is throbbing like a tooth ache.:eek:

In a nutshell my biceps are very large (22 inch guns) and they over powered the tendons at my age (40 years old). In addition I have been using quite a bit of TEST for some time now and I should have been cycling low amounts of test with high dosages of anaboilcs from time to time to build up those tendons but I did not do so because I like the size and sex drive the large dosages of test gave me..SOUND FAMILAR? In addition GH causes carpal tunnel for some and my right wrist has a very mild case of carpal tunnel so I have been steering clear of GH.

Heres a good article everyone should read if you have not!!!!



"Tendon Health"

While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.

Mudge 12-08-2003 11:40 AM

Wish you a speedy recovery

AG
www.ag-guys.com
 
does a cycle like

80mg ed of anavar
900mg wk of deca
200mg wk of test

sound good to repair the tendon?
 

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