Newbie can't eat in the morning...

[hikitiki]

Not sure if I'm in the right place - but as it is my first post, I gather I can't be to far off.

I'm almost 25, 5'10, and 168 -170lbs depending on the time of day. Been training on and off for over 6 years, but not consistently. However, for the last 6 months I've been pretty Johnny on the spot about it.

Month 1 and 2 I dropped from beginning weight of 170 to 160 and have regained it all in the last 4 months. I have seen consistent improvements in strength, muscle size, and body shape over this time. As of now I same still gaining slow and steady and have not plateaued.

My dilemma, if you can call it that, is an inability to eat in the first few hours of the morning. For the life of me, my stomach won't take it till I've been up at it for several hours. After around 12 however, I have no problem eating like a horse for the rest of the day.

So, to compensate:

8:00a - Protein shake x 2 - 40g p - a peice of fruit, banana or pare usually, and a couple slices of wheat bread.

10:30isha pre-workout - protein shake 20g - bread, maybe a handful of almonds, maybe some whole wheat goldfish (still nothing dramatic)

12:00p post-workout - meal replacement shake with skim milk approx 750 cal. 70g protein 90g Carbs.

1:00p lunch - 6-8oz chicken breast, brown rice, bread

4:00p usually fish or turkey in a wholesome amount, veggies, beans or some sort of carb

7-8:00p 6-8oz Chicken breast, brown rice, bread etc.

I won't lie, I haven't really totaled the calories from all this, but I know I'm not hurting in terms of protein amounts. My meals are a steady 5-6 a day and spaced evenly enough.

I guess my question here is the fact that my calorie and protein intake before noon is almost entirely "artificial" - a problem? Does it really matter in what order it happens as long as it all adds up at the end of the day? I've seen really positive results so far, but its difficult to tell between whats proper diet and my body catching up to a better fitness routine.

Questions, comments, criticism, concerns - all appreciated! Thanks!

 

[tabascotk]

I never liked substituting a whole food meal with a protein shake on a regular basis. Post workout is fine. Don't you eat eggs? Try to start eating them. Start with a small amount, then just increase that amount over time.

 

[SOCOM]

Not sure if I'm in the right place - but as it is my first post, I gather I can't be to far off.

I'm almost 25, 5'10, and 168 -170lbs depending on the time of day. Been training on and off for over 6 years, but not consistently. However, for the last 6 months I've been pretty Johnny on the spot about it.

Month 1 and 2 I dropped from beginning weight of 170 to 160 and have regained it all in the last 4 months. I have seen consistent improvements in strength, muscle size, and body shape over this time. As of now I same still gaining slow and steady and have not plateaued.

My dilemma, if you can call it that, is an inability to eat in the first few hours of the morning. For the life of me, my stomach won't take it till I've been up at it for several hours. After around 12 however, I have no problem eating like a horse for the rest of the day.

So, to compensate:

8:00a - Protein shake x 2 - 40g p - a peice of fruit, banana or pare usually, and a couple slices of wheat bread.

10:30isha pre-workout - protein shake 20g - bread, maybe a handful of almonds, maybe some whole wheat goldfish (still nothing dramatic)

12:00p post-workout - meal replacement shake with skim milk approx 750 cal. 70g protein 90g Carbs.

1:00p lunch - 6-8oz chicken breast, brown rice, bread

4:00p usually fish or turkey in a wholesome amount, veggies, beans or some sort of carb

7-8:00p 6-8oz Chicken breast, brown rice, bread etc.

I won't lie, I haven't really totaled the calories from all this, but I know I'm not hurting in terms of protein amounts. My meals are a steady 5-6 a day and spaced evenly enough.

I guess my question here is the fact that my calorie and protein intake before noon is almost entirely "artificial" - a problem? Does it really matter in what order it happens as long as it all adds up at the end of the day? I've seen really positive results so far, but its difficult to tell between whats proper diet and my body catching up to a better fitness routine.

Questions, comments, criticism, concerns - all appreciated! Thanks!

I had the same problem. First I had to get in the habit of eating SOMETHING in the morning, I wasnt too concerned with the amount..even a piece of fruit and cereal was a step.
After getting in the habit of eating in the morning I wanted to have bigger and bigger breakfast meals, thats the only way I actually passed my "dilema"

Good thing is you're eating all througout the day. Bad thing is, you really need to improve your diet if you want to grow. Either look through some posts and try to find a diet, or hire someone that will work with you on setting up a diet..otherwise you're going to have a long difficult road.

 

[mexbeast]

looks good to me , just try and make small changes if your gains slow down, if you are improving and growing why worry?

 

[thehighlife06]

Morning have always been the only hard time for me to take in a good amount of calories. I used to use weightgainers for the morning but I realized I could just make my own for cheaper.

1 cup fat free / whole milk (your preference)
1 cup water
2 scoop chocolate whey
2 TBSP natural peanut butter
1 banana
1 cup oatmeal (I blend the oatmeal in a coffee grinder before adding to blender, makes for a less rough consistency)

Blend and enjoy. Roughly 850-900 calories. Around 100 carbs. 56 grams protein.

Obviously I wouldn't recommend this if you aren't looking to bulk up. I can honestly say that for me this shake never added any extra fat but I'm naturally an ectomorph and this shake wouldn't be ideal for a lot of people.

Just throwing an idea out.

 

[hikitiki]

thanks for the wisdom guys.

I'll look into concocting my own shakes... cost is definitely a huge concern - as my get huge budget is not that large

 

[5004paloma]

Wish I had your problem...

I'm hungry ALL the time! I'm 5'8 and 200 (on a good day). I've actually tried to eat below my maintenance calories ~3000 and I still gain weight.

 

[matt77]

Bro, you have way to many shakes in your meal plans. I would never really have more than 2 a day. One as soon as I wake up and another pwo with a simple carb. I also do not count them as meals. I also eat 6 whole food meals a day to meet my daily intake.

Whats the issue with eating in the morning? Is it your stomach or what? If you can eat fruit and drink whey I don't see why you can eat eggs and oats too. If its chewing stuf up that makes you sick, scramble 5-6 eggs and cook a serving of oats, blend with water and drink!

Its all about how bad you want it. Mind over matter!!

 

[animalsd]

One thing i noticed myself, is that if i eat right before i go to bed (casein shake), i wake up starving. Try it.

 

[endus]

I have a same problem - so I cheat. I eat small amount of sweet serial - like frosted flake. A fat free milk will give you a nice protein at that point. Key word here is small amount. This will break the fasting - and after about an 1 hour, you'll be hungry for something more substantial. So try this to see if it works.

 

[Gunsmith]

I personaly am ready to eat like a starved animal when I wake up , I have found that since I generaly wake up at 1-2 am to pee I eat a couple spoon fulls of "protein butter" before i crawl back in bed.

mix up one scoop whey and one scoop casein with just enough water to get it from a powdered state then add teaspoon (more if your diet calls) of Almond butter. Makes a very thick almost like fudge and its only about 3-4 tablespoons yet it 50gr protein and 8-9 g fat

This keeps me satisfied till i'm done with my AM fasted cardio , if I don't eat from 9pm to 5am I litteraly can't do my cardio , I get physicaly ill and my sugar drops into the upper 40's

may be a way to keep your body with some food to work on till you get up and about in the day.

 

[BigSwole]

Bro, you have way to many shakes in your meal plans. I would never really have more than 2 a day. One as soon as I wake up and another pwo with a simple carb. I also do not count them as meals. I also eat 6 whole food meals a day to meet my daily intake.

Whats the issue with eating in the morning? Is it your stomach or what? If you can eat fruit and drink whey I don't see why you can eat eggs and oats too. If its chewing stuf up that makes you sick, scramble 5-6 eggs and cook a serving of oats, blend with water and drink!

Its all about how bad you want it. Mind over matter!!

If I try to eat a lot of solid food 1st thing in the morning I will end up puking it back up.

Here is my solution:

1. wake up 30min earlier or so and brush my teeth
2. have a shake and maybe a handful of blueberries/raspberries/etc
3. shower/shave/dressed/etc
4. eat a solid food meal

I'm not sure why my body doesn't like food first thing in the morning but I got tired of puking 80-90% of the time I tried to eat.

 

[andy_27]

I'm hungry ALL the time! I'm 5'8 and 200 (on a good day). I've actually tried to eat below my maintenance calories ~3000 and I still gain weight.

5004 what are you on?

 

[mexbeast]

I'm hungry ALL the time! I'm 5'8 and 200 (on a good day). I've actually tried to eat below my maintenance calories ~3000 and I still gain weight.

may be the peptides, igf1 or slin?

 

[Emery]

First thing in the morning I try for at least 6 egg whites and 2 whole eggs with a bowl of oatmeal.

I try my hardest to get protein needs in from diet and have found that gains are much better this way. Don't neglect EFAs, and good carbs. I always shoot for 2 - 3 servings per day of fruits and veges as well.

Supplements are good, but are only meant to supplement an already good diet!

 

[hikitiki]

Bro, you have way to many shakes in your meal plans. I would never really have more than 2 a day. One as soon as I wake up and another pwo with a simple carb. I also do not count them as meals. I also eat 6 whole food meals a day to meet my daily intake.

Whats the issue with eating in the morning? Is it your stomach or what? If you can eat fruit and drink whey I don't see why you can eat eggs and oats too. If its chewing stuf up that makes you sick, scramble 5-6 eggs and cook a serving of oats, blend with water and drink!

Its all about how bad you want it. Mind over matter!!

I don't feel hungry at all, and just the slightest bit of food fills me up. When I try to eat more I feel nauseous.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who has this issue though. I can manage a little better if I spread it out (make breakfast last 30-45min.) but honestly - I don't have time to spend 30+ min sitting eating breakfast every morning.

Since the mid morning workout seems to spark the appetite for the day, I'm gonna try getting up at DOING something really early to see if it'll help jump start things.

As for all the amount of shakes - I do agree. It seems like a lot to me too, but it is a means to an end. I figure it can't be more harmful than half the crap people do to themselves for the sake of physique

 

[brisk walk]

who gives a shit how many shakes the guy drinks?


as long as he is getting something nutritious, what does it matter?

i know many folks that drink 3-4 shakes in a day.....some drink 5 a day.


some of you guys are way too anal about certain topics.

 

[brisk walk]

I don't feel hungry at all, and just the slightest bit of food fills me up. When I try to eat more I feel nauseous.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who has this issue though. I can manage a little better if I spread it out (make breakfast last 30-45min.) but honestly - I don't have time to spend 30+ min sitting eating breakfast every morning.

Since the mid morning workout seems to spark the appetite for the day, I'm gonna try getting up at DOING something really early to see if it'll help jump start things.

As for all the amount of shakes - I do agree. It seems like a lot to me too, but it is a means to an end. I figure it can't be more harmful than half the crap people do to themselves for the sake of physique

hey man, just eat something small in the morning.....oatmeal, cottage cheese, fruit.....maybe a shake......it will take some getting used to....but you'll gradually get to a point where you are ready to eat in the morning.