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crazeeman

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Hey bros
I am going to start my 2nd. cycle in july. Thinking about running
500 mg sustanon(weeks 1-10)weekly
400 deca(weeks 1-10)weekly
35 mg winstrol ed (weeks 1-10)
Is that too much.I wanna gain some lean muscle. What do you guys think.
 

Ivan

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OK

Here is what I would do w/ that stuff you mentioned........

First, 500 mgs of sust is not that much test, so do not worry about that...I personally would do more. So if you are gonna take the 500, at least do this pin routine: split the doses so that you take two pokes a week.

Next I would prolly sub out the deca in favor of some fina or EQ...
But since you have deca, go ahead and run the 400mgs.
And for winni ( I cannot take the effect it has on my joints so I dislike it) go 50mg ED.

Instead of Winni, you could run anavar for your oral.
 

crackerjack414

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if u used dbol instead of winny that is once crazy combo for size but it never beats
tren
test
dbol
imo
 

dalastnatty

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yeah go wit anvar itll really help lose that extra weight in ur wallet

go with a higher wininnw dose and go the last 6 weeks wit it
 

quadster5

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if i were u i would go slightly higher with the sust prob 750mgs at this stage. deca id run at 400mgs i liked to run dbol for the first half of a cycle then switch to a milder oral. if i was doing dbol 35 to 40mgs on a second cycle. winnys as mentioned before are a bitch on the joints.
 

RIV

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bro what did your first stack look like? and to let everyone know i am doing my first stack in September ( i wish i could do it sooner, but i mention in an earlier thread i have a fight in aug.) mine will look like this..
750enath wks 1-10
400deca wks 1-10
40dbols wks 1-4
probably all QV products, i'm open to any suggestions so let me know.

-RiV
 

crazeeman

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bro

I did
750 mg test enanthate weeks 1-10
50 mg dbol every day weeks 1-5
50 mg winstrol everydaY weeks 6-10
The winstrol towards the end started to kill my wrists and elbows.
 

RIV

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yeah i heard that winny kills the joints, why dont you go for EQ or fina.
-RiV
 

dalastnatty

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wat causes winny to hurt the joints...after lookin at that cycle again dbol looks like a better oral
 

quadster5

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well bro if u cant get eq or fina use deca as u said go with 400mgs to 600mgs per week. the deca and sust will work great also what orals can u get? work with what u have here
 

crazeeman

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hey bro

I used ip's dbol on my first cycle for 5 weeks and switched to winny. After about the fourth week my lower back was killing me bad from the dbol. So bad I couldn't even do deadlifts.I can take the joint pain from the winstrol. The deca will help with the joint pain. The pain wasn't even that bad in my wrists and elbows. So I guess i'll use the winny for my oral. Still have dbol left .I will save it for the winter time when i usually eat like a pig. That way I can use that as an excuse for gaining 30 lbs.
 

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Winstrol is the most damaging AAS to collagen cross linking fibers. These are fibrous strands wound up tightly, making up collagen structures (your rotator cuffs & tendons, etc). Winstrol makes these structures slightly larger, porous, and extremely brittle, very prone to macro-tears since the collagen structure is not only brittle but extremely porous. By taking winstrol you are risking the highest chance of injury over any other AAS. You are most injury prone while on it because it destroys the collagen matrix in the shortest period of time. Even test is destructive but it takes a long time before test damages collagen structures enough to cause injury.

-EJ
 

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