Pain/Quality???

lookatpicture · Apr 16, 2010

someone help me to understand this line of thinking, "a smooth or painless injection is a great product." it seems that some people think that as long as their shit is "smooth or painless" they have a great quality product. IMO, that doesn't mean shit. maybe the ba/bb content isn't real high, making it smooth. it does not mean that you have good shit or a high quality product???

Dave_19 · Apr 16, 2010

lookatpicture said:
someone help me to understand this line of thinking, "a smooth or painless injection is a great product." it seems that some people think that as long as their shit is "smooth or painless" they have a great quality product. IMO, that doesn't mean shit. maybe the ba/bb content isn't real high, making it smooth. it does not mean that you have good shit or a high quality product???

I think most painless types are only around 1% BA. The pain is just a slight burn and I their is no reason to skimp on BA, not only will it sterilize the product but it will thin it out, making it easier to inj. I think up to 3% is fine for peace of mind.

maldorf · Apr 16, 2010

lookatpicture said:
someone help me to understand this line of thinking, "a smooth or painless injection is a great product." it seems that some people think that as long as their shit is "smooth or painless" they have a great quality product. IMO, that doesn't mean shit. maybe the ba/bb content isn't real high, making it smooth. it does not mean that you have good shit or a high quality product???

All I can say is that the true prescription test cyp I get now is totally painless. Nothing I have ever used before can compare to this as far as comfort and no pain. As far as how potent it is, well it got my total test up to 850 ng/dl with just 120mg/wk. I think it is much more potent that UG lab product, and those underground products all carry some pain. I dont have any pain at all, ever. It doesnt even hurt going in.

there is no reason at all for gear to hurt the way that it does. to me it means poor quality.

cachexic · Apr 16, 2010

I'm using UG test.E from a sponsor here that is 100% painless. As for how potent it is, I'm not really sure. Only 4 weeks in. Strength is up but I've been eating more as well so I don't know what to attribute it to, diet or gear. Nothing crazy has happened yet. I don't know if it's going to stay like this or if there's going to be a "take off" point where it just really kicks in hard. This is my first cycle.

I'm getting rock hard erections several times a day though, especially in the morning. So there ya go.

jerseystepup · Apr 16, 2010

Im using geneza cyp... its TOTALLY painless, and VERY thick... i guess this would indicate very low BA... i know it's good test either way...

Back in the day the real QV test E was really good to me also but HURT LIKE A MOFO... so in my eyes, it could go either way.

Snuka · Apr 16, 2010

I would not use pain as a factor to gauge quality. There could be many reason such as solvent %, as well as injections practices. I have had gear hurt and not hurt and both have been equally effective.

If some source really wanted to do a hit and run, a vial of grapeseed oil with nothing in it is also painless.

lookatpicture · Apr 17, 2010

Snuka said:
I would not use pain as a factor to gauge quality. There could be many reason such as solvent %, as well as injections practices. I have had gear hurt and not hurt and both have been equally effective.

If some source really wanted to do a hit and run, a vial of grapeseed oil with nothing in it is also painless.

i agree. my thoughts, exactly.

teslacsten · Apr 17, 2010

I have never had any pain with hg gear. I have also never used ug gear and never will. Anyone that uses ug gear in my opinion is lacking in intelligence for many reasons. I don't give a shit if you best friend the master chemist made it, he more than likely didn't make it in a quality controlled environment with all the proper requirements of an actual pharmacaeutical company. Anyone using ug gear in my opinion is just flirting with there health and safety. HG gear is usually cheaper and just as easy to get. Now that doesn't mean that all hg gear is real, but if you do your homework you can be pretty sure it is of a good quality.

lookatpicture · Apr 17, 2010

teslacsten said:
I have never had any pain with hg gear. I have also never used ug gear and never will. Anyone that uses ug gear in my opinion is lacking in intelligence for many reasons. I don't give a shit if you best friend the master chemist made it, he more than likely didn't make it in a quality controlled environment with all the proper requirements of an actual pharmacaeutical company. Anyone using ug gear in my opinion is just flirting with there health and safety. HG gear is usually cheaper and just as easy to get. Now that doesn't mean that all hg gear is real, but if you do your homework you can be pretty sure it is of a good quality.

you make a few very good points. just want to say that even if you are using pharm gear you are still "flirting with your health and safety"

J.Blaze · Apr 17, 2010

Anytime you inject something into your body you are taking a risk...I dont care where you get it. Pharm grade is the best obviously because of the strict guidelines. That being said Ive used dr prescribed for years and it does burn occasionally. When Anna nicole Smith died she was on a ton of shit. There was a report that she may have died from a dirty injection of GH she was taking.Caused a major infection. No doubt it was pharm grade as it was prescribed to her in the states, but she obviously didnt use clean procedures.Washing your hands and usind alcohol prep is very important!!

Stewie Griffon · Apr 17, 2010

lookatpicture said:
someone help me to understand this line of thinking, "a smooth or painless injection is a great product." it seems that some people think that as long as their shit is "smooth or painless" they have a great quality product. IMO, that doesn't mean shit. maybe the ba/bb content isn't real high, making it smooth. it does not mean that you have good shit or a high quality product???

i 100% agree! its annoying going through sponsor thread seeing nothing but 'its smooth, or fast TA' - who gives a shit. i assume that people care about real, accurately dosed products - quality

heated 0.2 micron filtered oil is sterile and would be smooth, that doesnt mean it contains anything other than oil. also it could be shipped quickly so there is the fast TA.

maldorf · Apr 17, 2010

The thing here is thouhg that there is absolutely no reason for this underground gear to be making people so sore and swollen that they cant walk for a week and going to the doc cause they think they have an abcess. Its just uncalled for, and IMO if the product does this to you then is just crap. Anyone with a little common sense can cook up some brew in their own home on the stove top and it wont hurt a bit. How can it be that a home chemist can make accuarately dosed product that has little to no pain but one of these UG companies cant do it? It is not rocket science!

Snuka · Apr 18, 2010

^^^^totally agree with that

j4ever · Apr 18, 2010

maldorf said:
The thing here is thouhg that there is absolutely no reason for this underground gear to be making people so sore and swollen that they cant walk for a week and going to the doc cause they think they have an abcess. Its just uncalled for, and IMO if the product does this to you then is just crap. Anyone with a little common sense can cook up some brew in their own home on the stove top and it wont hurt a bit. How can it be that a home chemist can make accuarately dosed product that has little to no pain but one of these UG companies cant do it? It is not rocket science!

AGREED!

Emery · Apr 18, 2010

Agreed ^^^^

I have never had pain in the past with quality pharm grade. No pain like I hear about here!

silverback97 · Apr 18, 2010

What kind of pain are we talking about? A little tenderness in the area or can you not do anything (T400!)...
I am more than willing to suck up some slight pain for quality gains...Do it make sense that soreness can vary from inj to inj? Same stuff...same source...but some are real smooth, some have a little tenderness to them a day after...

mature muscle · Apr 18, 2010

I think some are more sensitive to some solvents then others. I have used stealth super test 450 and had no issues but many complained the stuff would cripple them i,m lucky so far no gear has had that effected on me just minor soreness after injecting.

maldorf · Apr 18, 2010

Emery said:
I have never had pain in the past with quality pharm grade. No pain like I hear about here!

Lets not single out the sponsers here. This was common to all of the UG brands I used 4 years ago. Im not sure what its like these days, but back then it seemed like all of the brands caused pain and swelling. It was just a matter of finding the ones that caused the least. Back then, Id have to say the worst I ever used was that T400. Back then I didnt know much about gear, and had no idea about solvents etc, otherwise id never bought something that concentrated. The Brovel stuff from mexico was terrible too.

NY Muscle · Apr 18, 2010

teslacsten said:
I have never had any pain with hg gear. I have also never used ug gear and never will. Anyone that uses ug gear in my opinion is lacking in intelligence for many reasons. I don't give a shit if you best friend the master chemist made it, he more than likely didn't make it in a quality controlled environment with all the proper requirements of an actual pharmacaeutical company. Anyone using ug gear in my opinion is just flirting with there health and safety. HG gear is usually cheaper and just as easy to get. Now that doesn't mean that all hg gear is real, but if you do your homework you can be pretty sure it is of a good quality.

Back in the day (1997-1999?) there were issues with US brand Steris which was pharmaceutical brand AAS. Stuff was great. Then all of a sudden there were issues with fakes and underdosed and who knows what else, even coming out of the pharmacy. So just because you think you are buying the best, it may not mean that is what is in your bottle.

NY Muscle · Apr 18, 2010

maldorf said:
The Brovel stuff from mexico was terrible too.

Damn! You are brining back memories. Brovel in the blue boxes and then the other brand that was in red (started with T I think?) were all great...maybe years later the quality and strength went to shit? Not sure.