Question about the Team Universe contest

[chris250]

At the NPC team universe contest...Being that its a drug tested show, are guys allowed to be on HRT/TRT therapy or not...Im guessing that most guys get off gear in time to test clean, but what about guess that are on HRT/TRT ? Is that allowed in the NPC drug tested shows, or would you fail...

chris

 

[Jude2]

Last time I competed there in 2004 they polyed everyone to see if you were one year clean, and urine tested the top 2. They won't send you to the Worlds if you fail the drug test. I don't think they did the poly last year, because a guy I was training did the show and they didn't poly him, he got 5th.

 

[chris250]

Well my question is do they allow guys on HRT/TRT ? Or do guys get off that to before the show ?

 

[Steve123]

Well my question is do they allow guys on HRT/TRT ? Or do guys get off that to before the show ?

Chris, Please don't quote me and get confirmation from a better source than me; however, I beleive that a true TRT dose - i.e., that which will get you in the mid range - will not cause your T/E ratio to exceed the parameters. You can certainly be on test but if that T/E comes in high - OCB for example looks at anything over 6:1 - you will pop. You may want to talk with a show Sponsor that you know and ask the question. Most of these guys have experience working closely with the drug testing aspect. While nobody can give you definitives, they may be able to provide general guidence around what levels could make a guy fail.

For example: if you're one of these guys that considers 250mg EW a TRT dose, you may have an issue. When I say "TRT", I'm talking about what and Endo/Nuero would script for you - e.g., 75 - 125 mg EW (in general - I realize there are exceptions).

 

[chris250]

Chris, Please don't quote me and get confirmation from a better source than me; however, I beleive that a true TRT dose - i.e., that which will get you in the mid range - will not cause your T/E ratio to exceed the parameters. You can certainly be on test but if that T/E comes in high - OCB for example looks at anything over 6:1 - you will pop. You may want to talk with a show Sponsor that you know and ask the question. Most of these guys have experience working closely with the drug testing aspect. While nobody can give you definitives, they may be able to provide general guidence around what levels could make a guy fail.

For example: if you're one of these guys that considers 250mg EW a TRT dose, you may have an issue. When I say "TRT", I'm talking about what and Endo/Nuero would script for you - e.g., 75 - 125 mg EW (in general - I realize there are exceptions).

thank you that does help some..I just dont want to be breaking the rules if I can go that route...

 

[Jude2]

That is true they test for the T/E ratio. They also test for other steroids like deca, because it is easy to catch someone.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

CHRIS

thank you that does help some..I just dont want to be breaking the rules if I can go that route...

Honestly, those guys are awesome.....you would have a tough time competing there even how you looked at the nationals, let alone clean......I will tell you straight up what my buddy said who competes at the natural team universe.
1. Does he think he is gonna waltz into that show and win it and represent USA?
2. Does he know how GOOD these guys are?
3. Is he joking?
4. Why is he even gonna compete again?
5. Lets see HIM CLEAN ande win a LOCAL show naturally first before taking on the world.....isnt that a little pre mature and cocky?

just a FYI........these guys are good Chris, they are genetic freaks.......family first man....get your life back but BE REALISTIC

 

[Shelby]

Last year's heavyweight and overall winner:

 

[chris250]

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[chris250]

Hell maybe I shoudnt even think about lifting anymore..Why the fuck do I even ask these questions...LOL

sorry guys im just having a bad day...just trying to stay positive...

 

[eroc613]

Honestly, those guys are awesome.....you would have a tough time competing there even how you looked at the nationals, let alone clean......I will tell you straight up what my buddy said who competes at the natural team universe.
1. Does he think he is gonna waltz into that show and win it and represent USA?
2. Does he know how GOOD these guys are?
3. Is he joking?
4. Why is he even gonna compete again?
5. Lets see HIM CLEAN ande win a LOCAL show naturally first before taking on the world.....isnt that a little pre mature and cocky?

just a FYI........these guys are good Chris, they are genetic freaks.......family first man....get your life back but BE REALISTIC

No disrespect at all Phil, your post just made me think of a guy in the area, Ty Pope, He fininshed second at Team Universe in 2007 and later that year got 3rd at a level 5 show. Lee Banks won the show, but still.
I do understand what you saying though.

 

[Johnny Smiles]

hang in there Big Chris

Hell maybe I shoudnt even think about lifting anymore..Why the fuck do I even ask these questions...LOL

sorry guys im just having a bad day...just trying to stay positive...

there is nothing wrong with competing. just do it safely. do any show you want. you have proven yourself now try to focus on having fun. when i think about "retiring" from the sport to me it really just means not trying to win anymore. i just need a reason to diet and push myself. i need that fear in the back of my mind that i will be in front of hundreds of people. i need to know that a hundred other guys are getting ready for the same show. i like the motivation that having a contest date instills in me.
so even when i "quit" the sport. i will only quit doing everything it takes to win and instead just be healthy and compete to have fun.
alot like entering a golf tournament lol. just to make you step up your game a knotch but if you don't when no big deal.
hope that makes sense.
truth is i don't know if i can accept competing and not expecting to win so... i know how you feel bro. just hang in there. one day at a time. i know your mind is all over the place. just don't even think about competing or anything for 6 months maybe and give yourself some time to reflect.
-JS

 

[chris250]

there is alot I would like to say on this, becasue I think what Phil is saying to me is being very disrespectful...and I really dont want to get into a pissing match with him...as I have alot of respect for him..but honestly, his post really did get under my skin...I honeslty dont believe it is out of the question for me to be thinking about competing again...as its part of what keeps me going...Hell even my doctors, Sarah, my family want me to compete again, if its ok with the doctors...and at this time they are very confident that I will be able to again...Phil, I understand if you dont think I have the genetics even to win a show again..ok fine, that is great...but honestly Im trying to keep an open mind about everything in my life...and putting me down about even thinking about competing in the Team U is very disrespectful in my opinion...

as for this subject im done now

 

[aeliop]

No disrespect at all Phil, your post just made me think of a guy in the area, Ty Pope, He fininshed second at Team Universe in 2007 and later that year got 3rd at a level 5 show. Lee Banks won the show, but still.
I do understand what you saying though.

Yes and he finished 4th in his class in the 2009 Florida State.

Ty is a good guy, he trains at Marilyn's gym and many mornings on his way to the gym he honks his horn at me when I am walking my dogs. For along time I didn't know who it was because the windows were tinted and his car was always coming from behind me. It would always scare me and make me jump so it would piss me off and I guess I would make it quite evident. Finally one day he told Marilyn that it was him that kept scaring me in the morning and it was one of the most enjoyable parts of his day.

Chris in all honesty just get healthy man, focus on that for now. Bodybuilding is not your exsistance, your life has a more complex meaning. I think Chris G is lovable guy with much to offer as he is completely not just Chris G the bodybuilder. Don't sell yourself or any that love and care about you short. Get healthy, enjoy your relationships, and love your life. When all that is accomplished then start thinking about bodybuilding for competition

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Chris I am not understanding this either.

YOU GOT A SECOND CHANCE!!!!

Dont you think Don Youngblood and Anthony D'arruzzio wish they had a second chance? They didnt get one.

Chris lets be honest here ok? Bodybuilding the modern day sport f*&%ing blows!

Hey lets diet down to rather unsafe bodyfat ranges using all these pharmaceuticals, heart effecting thermogenic drugs, and hormones.....and then at that point.....lets severely dehydrate ourselves and dance with the devil! Nevermind the carcinogenic tanning booth tanning we have to do the last 8 weeks.....all for the sake of winning a trophy and for the majority of the 98% competitors......no money at all or on the horizon! Awesome!!! Risk to benefit ratio of about 100 to 0!

Im all for goals in life and maybe competing when you are young and can maybe take some risks in your 20's for the shortterm thrill of it or at least if you can make some bigtime money and get the hell out. But jesus man, you just had a huge warning sign and you dont want to listen to the warning sign?!?!?!

Competing keeps you going? How bout living? That doesnt keep you going? What would you say to your wife if she just had a huge cardiac event and the doctor said to her "If you do some of the things you did before to get down below 10% bodyfat, theres a pretty good chance that you could have the cardiac event again".....Would you say "go for it it honey lets diet you down for a show!"

What do you think is going to happen if you get caught back up in this "competing" mindset? Do you really think you are going to try to do it with no dieting aids? That you arent going to try to push the envelope just a little bit to do well?

You want competition? How bout taking some steps toward it? A competition with yourself! Within parameters you set for yourself healthwise.

a) Get your heart down in size and get fit, healthy and back to square one
b) Make your competition to have your blood pressure always in check
c) Make your competition to be the most ripped up, lean, muscular bodyweight you can be within your own parameters that you will not go over
(150-200mg a week TRT or whatever).....thats your parameter that you can never exceed or whatever it is.

You want to impress someone? Everyone knows your story. Come in this forum in a year...put up your pics and show everyone "hey guys, look im 214 lbs and i just got dunktanked and Im 8% and I still can have 20 inch arms and Im just on 200mg TRT a week"

Every single guy in this forum will be more impressed with that than you going to the Team Universe and getting 8th and virtually everyong thinking "what the hell is that guy doing that to himself for....christ he could have died and he is trying to go thru bodybuilding extremes again?!?!?! Guy obviously thinks a trophy is better than actually living."

Hank Gathers got a warning Chris....he didnt end up heeding that warning....had a bad game in philadelphia from the medicine they had him on.....decided to cut back the medicine so he could go back to being Hank Gathers the all out manchild basketball player. You know the rest.......

and if you dont here is a refresher course....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Gathers

 

[buselmo]

I think what chris is trying to say is he's trying to be healthy AND enjoy the feeling he gets when he competes.

Chris, you can do it. just don't it FOR THE WIN, do it because you enjoy it. I don't think you are planning on using any harsh substances either, just some test (HRT) and some good old diet, training and cardio...

just keep this in mind... whenever you feel like you want to go back to the "lifestyle" you used to live, remember that you are bigger and leaner than 99.999% of the population, and you will always look like a competitive bodybuilder. If you eat healthy, do your cardio (whenever your doctors allow you to) and train in a way that suits you... go compete for the heck of it. just for fun and so your family can cheer you on!

best of luck, and stay healthy brotha

 

[aussiebulldog]

"You want to impress someone? Everyone knows your story. Come in this forum in a year...put up your pics and show everyone "hey guys, look im 214 lbs and i just got dunktanked and Im 8% and I still can have 20 inch arms and Im just on 200mg TRT a week"

so true.

 

[comedycentral]

you ever thought about taking your competitive lust in a different direction??

if your strength levels are good you ever thought of powerlifting or strongman?

still something to strive for. good diet and a strict routine leading up to competition but without the restrictive element.

i fully understand though that competing is in your blood. i think the general consensus here is that people want you to be safe and healthy.

good luck pal

 

[chris250]

I think what chris is trying to say is he's trying to be healthy AND enjoy the feeling he gets when he competes.

Chris, you can do it. just don't it FOR THE WIN, do it because you enjoy it. I don't think you are planning on using any harsh substances either, just some test (HRT) and some good old diet, training and cardio...

just keep this in mind... whenever you feel like you want to go back to the "lifestyle" you used to live, remember that you are bigger and leaner than 99.999% of the population, and you will always look like a competitive bodybuilder. If you eat healthy, do your cardio (whenever your doctors allow you to) and train in a way that suits you... go compete for the heck of it. just for fun and so your family can cheer you on!

best of luck, and stay healthy brotha

well atleast one person got it

whats wrong with having thoughts ? Whats wrong with competing healthy for the fun of it..??

 

[tenny]

wow