Question

concreteguy · Feb 1, 2009

Other than the obvious lump under the skin, why can't you do S.Q. injections with oil based gear? I know there is a chance of injecting into a fat cell. I'm thinking that without the oil base being cavitated in the muscle by doing an I.M. injection it wouldnt have a consistant delivery time. Any one?

concreteguy · Feb 1, 2009

oldfella · Feb 1, 2009

Oil based injectable has to be delivered IM because the fat does not have a blood supply circulating in it. SO no blood circulation no dispersion into your system. Then all you have is a pocket of oil trapped in fatty tissue subQ that could go bad and cause an infection.

Massive G · Feb 1, 2009

Sub-q is an effective means of adminstering oil based AAS and even water based peptides:

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17143361?ordinalpos=2&
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It's not the preffered way to cycle as the injection volume per site is low (.5 ml) and it will alter the half life somewhat due to the slower absorbtion.

I know many guys who have used it, and had no problems whatsover-especially when using test to bridge between cycles.

rAJJIN · Feb 1, 2009

Massive G said:
Sub-q is an effective means of adminstering oil based AAS and even water based peptides:

**broken link removed**

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17143361?ordinalpos=2&
itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

It's not the preffered way to cycle as the injection volume per site is low (.5 ml) and it will alter the half life somewhat due to the slower absorbtion.

I know many guys who have used it, and had no problems whatsover-especially when using test to bridge between cycles.

Thats news to me.
Ive wondered about that sometimes..... Not doing it that way but the what if.. And if you get any of it at all. Thanks for the Info MG

Massive G · Feb 1, 2009

rAJJIN said:
Thats news to me.
Ive wondered about that sometimes..... Not doing it that way but the what if.. And if you get any of it at all. Thanks for the Info MG

trust me it works I am taking my HRT this way....2 x .75 ml pops a week of Delatestryl...have been for awhile now.
who wants to jam an IM injection for 1.5 mls???

Massive G · Feb 1, 2009

So many things factor in when bb'ers are involved with the greater amount of mass, higher metabolism etc.

One could hypothetically make a long acting AAS injection from powder with USP castor oil-for the never ending cycle based on monthly shots....even though I think long cycles are for da birds...

The vehicle or delivery-oil type makes a difference in IM as well.

concreteguy · Feb 1, 2009

Massive, do you think it's ok to go winny or test susp SQ ?? It seems like test susp just plain or hurts anywhere I I.M. it.

machola · Feb 1, 2009

oldfella said:
Oil based injectable has to be delivered IM because the fat does not have a blood supply circulating in it. SO no blood circulation no dispersion into your system. Then all you have is a pocket of oil trapped in fatty tissue subQ that could go bad and cause an infection.

this is wrong. all of it.

oil injectables can be administered through sc route. fat does have a blood supply. the drug will go into systemic circulation at a similar rate as IM. there is a pocket of oil whether you inject into muscle or fat. risk of infection is the same as IM. infection is due to bacteria getting inside the body. if you inject oil with bacteria in it or use dirty needles you risk infection... that post was nothing but misinformation

machola · Feb 1, 2009

oldfella said:
Oil based injectable has to be delivered IM because the fat does not have a blood supply circulating in it. SO no blood circulation no dispersion into your system. Then all you have is a pocket of oil trapped in fatty tissue subQ that could go bad and cause an infection.

how could fat grow without blood supply? how could it be used for energy(as in dieting) without a blood supply?

patricio2626 · Feb 1, 2009

machola said:
how could fat grow without blood supply? how could it be used for energy(as in dieting) without a blood supply?

Pretty good reasoning.

I had always read that the absorption would be extremely slow in fat, but, as always, it's nice to get new information that contradicts conventional knowledge.

arnoldismyhero · Feb 1, 2009

I wondered about this too until I realized that it's easier to heat up an oil and go through higher gauge needle. I shoot Omna with a B&D 25g, I don't even feel it.

Massive G · Feb 2, 2009

concreteguy said:
Massive, do you think it's ok to go winny or test susp SQ ?? It seems like test susp just plain or hurts anywhere I I.M. it.

I used to take the majority of my water based stuff diluted with B-12 and hit it sub-Q with no problems-dilution helped the sting of course this was with pharm suspension and winny v from Upjohn or Zambons...

I just am not up on UG water based stuff, but if it's clean it should be ok.

oldfella · Feb 2, 2009

machola said:
this is wrong. all of it.

oil injectables can be administered through sc route. fat does have a blood supply. the drug will go into systemic circulation at a similar rate as IM. there is a pocket of oil whether you inject into muscle or fat. risk of infection is the same as IM. infection is due to bacteria getting inside the body. if you inject oil with bacteria in it or use dirty needles you risk infection... that post was nothing but misinformation

OK I may stand corrected here but fat has no where near the blood circulation as muscle. So it stands to reason it would take longer for oil based AAS to reach the system than through the IM route. I have not read the information that Massive has posted yet but have no problem admitting when I am mistaken.