Raw Deal Arrests in Australia

[Basstart]

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[oldfella]

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Yes this is old news here. I have competed against Glenn a few times in different shows! Awesome physique. I am not sure if it has gone to trial but he was out walking the streets 24hrs after he was busted with GH and other peptides as well as some orals. Not exactly small time but he and his partner/wife are out of jail for now! I was surprised when I read about he and Di in the paper. He is a really nice guy and a good competitor. Shame they got popped! When the Ice epidemic here is getting out of control as is the e market in night clubs. Again it goes to show, they are not interested in real criminals such as the real drug dealers and killers of young people with their poison. They have to go after reasonable people that are not hurting, but helping many get fitter, stronger and improve their appearance. I will say that yes they obviously broke the law, but in doing so they hurt no one. Unlike the real drug dealers on the streets that are literally getting away with murder!!

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Yep and meanwhile we have taxpayer funded injecting rooms and taxpayer funded methadone clinics.

 

[Big V]

but in doing so they hurt no one. Unlike the real drug dealers on the streets that are literally getting away with murder!!

Very interesting here.
So, for the youngerfella(s) your saying distributing a controlled substance illegaly is a victimless crime? Powerful statement.

And before or if you go for a rebuttal here, I dont judge one way the other who goes about distributing my sauce but I am aware of what it is. Whereas I see your statement as a cloudy guise for a minor sense of denial.

 

[LATS]

i can not answer of oldfella.. but, i think you know and i know that ice and e are much more dangerous drugs than anabolics.. i think we know if you list all the black market drugs, gear will rate exceptionally low in the "victim/danger" rankings..

 

[Big A]

They'll just get fines. Aust is not as fucked up as the US when it comes to things like this. But the media loves it.

 

[Big V]

i can not answer of oldfella.. but, i think you know and i know that ice and e are much more dangerous drugs than anabolics.. i think we know if you list all the black market drugs, gear will rate exceptionally low in the "victim/danger" rankings..

..Sure you can and you just did.
Ok, we can chalk it up as semantics and I will accept your response as accurate and perhaps more realistic than anything he would have mentioned anyways.

 

[oldfella]

Very interesting here.
So, for the youngerfella(s) your saying distributing a controlled substance illegaly is a victimless crime? Powerful statement.
And before or if you go for a rebuttal here, I dont judge one way the other who goes about distributing my sauce but I am aware of what it is. Whereas I see your statement as a cloudy guise for a minor sense of denial.

Nope, never said it was a victimless crime. I did acknowledge that they broke our laws here and got caught doing so. They do/did not distribute their goods knowing that they would kill someone! Ice and ecy and meth........does. The people that peddle this shit know it does. I'm not in denial about anything I do or choose not to do. There are risks involved in any kind of illegal activity. If I choose to engage in such activity then I must be preparred to accept the responsibility and consequences that go along with said activity. I am not defending them or condeming them. I just feel that LE could do much better than busting people for trying to improve the way they look through perfermance enhancing measures and focus more of their attention to what goes on around the street corner and the primary schools than busting juicers! We all, or I hope we all realize that if we choose to stick a needle in our butts that there is an inherant risk of something going wrong! Today, tomorrow, next week, next month, and down the track. The risk of dying from juice is far lower than taking an ecy, or smoking crack, or running speed! So victimless crime it is not. A serious crime that gets lumped in with heroin and speed and all the other rec drugs that ruin lives Not in my opinion.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Wait. I'm sort of with oldfella on this one. If you purchase testosterone from a facility that is legally licensed to sell it, and you use the testosterone while observing common safety practices (sterile syringes, alcohol, etc.).... Where's the victim? Show me one. Hell, where's the crime? Okay, yes, the drug is a Class III controlled substance and use without a doctor's permission is a crime.

So in the end, the crime you committed is using an FDA approved pharmaceutical WITHOUT getting a doctor's permission and script first? Does that sound about right?

It sure is nice to know we have medical doctors out there to save us from ourselves. All I can say is it's pretty damn rediculous that you can do jail time for attempting to use a drug that given to you by a doctor would be perfectly okay with everyone. "We can't have people taking risks with unsafe steroids so we'll put them in jail because it's much safer there!"

Holy shit that's rediculous.

 

[oldfella]

..Sure you can and you just did.
Ok, we can chalk it up as semantics and I will accept your response as accurate and perhaps more realistic than anything he would have mentioned anyways.

So you are saying that AAS is the same as dealing crack?? You are saying that AAS is as harmful or addictive as meth? Or are you just trying to defend the rec drug dealers and say they are no different to juice peddlers? If so that's fine you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. Most of the peeps that sell AAS do not willingly or knowingly sell to juveniles. Rec drug dealers just do not give a fuck who they sell to or who they fuck up with their garbage. They do knowingly sell to primary school aged kids. They don't care. If you don't think what I have to say is realistic that's fine with me. But the real truth is AAS has not been officially linked to the deaths of anyone. Heroin, can't say the same about this one! Speed, can't say the same about that one. Smoking, alcohol, can't say the same about those either. So who are the victims then??

 

[dragonfire101]

So you are saying that AAS is the same as dealing crack?? You are saying that AAS is as harmful or addictive as meth? Or are you just trying to defend the rec drug dealers and say they are no different to juice peddlers? If so that's fine you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. Most of the peeps that sell AAS do not willingly or knowingly sell to juveniles. Rec drug dealers just do not give a fuck who they sell to or who they fuck up with their garbage. They do knowingly sell to primary school aged kids. They don't care. If you don't think what I have to say is realistic that's fine with me. But the real truth is AAS has not been officially linked to the deaths of anyone. Heroin, can't say the same about this one! Speed, can't say the same about that one. Smoking, alcohol, can't say the same about those either. So who are the victims then??

I don't know how many times I have stated although it is my personal experience that hundreds of substance abuse cases come through the agencey I work at. The substance abuse of these individuals imapcts these persons families, children relatives etc. Most of these users cannot hold long term employment, cannot support their children, loose their children, often steal from family and friends have criminal records for stealing and possession of narcotics etc. and the women often have prostitution offenses. There are 16 year old kids being shot to death over crack deals and fighting for turff. I can go on and on. I have not seen one case come through the office with someone abusing steroids that is impacting the community and family in the manner I stated above. I heard of one case that someone had of a steroid user in another office and that individual was arrested for supplying and selling. He had to be tested because he end up doing probation. He still was able to work and support his family without any issues noted above. So their appears to be a differance in terms of impact when it comes to using steroids and using herion and crack.

I am not justifying steroid use, but am saying that its impact on other people is not significant compared to other substances being used.

 

[KillerStack]

[/B]So you are saying that AAS is the same as dealing crack?? You are saying that AAS is as harmful or addictive as meth? Or are you just trying to defend the rec drug dealers and say they are no different to juice peddlers?

Not infrequently they are the same. So you could make the case that sometimes supporting juice dealers you are also supporting criminals who peddle other shit and are involved in other criminal activity.

The end user can obviously be an otherwise straight and narrow type of guy.

 

[babygetoboy]

Well when you say that it is using an FDA approved substance just without a prescription and saying that it's not a big deal, keep in mind that methamphetemine is also an FDA approved substance, so you could say that those people are just using it without a prescription,

 

[joeshow5]

Well when you say that it is using an FDA approved substance just without a prescription and saying that it's not a big deal, keep in mind that methamphetemine is also an FDA approved substance, so you could say that those people are just using it without a prescription,

Whatever, bro. Have you been to a meth lab? Have you seen what they put in that stuff? If it is blackmarket meth (which all of it is) then its NOT approved by the FDA.
Take a dexadrine or ritalin. Then sometime go smoke or snort or shoot yourself some ice and then come back and re-read your post.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Well when you say that it is using an FDA approved substance just without a prescription and saying that it's not a big deal, keep in mind that methamphetemine is also an FDA approved substance, so you could say that those people are just using it without a prescription,

I never said it was not a big deal. Of course it's a big deal. I'm not even saying that you should be able to use testosterone and analogues without a specialist's supervision. I'm just saying that it should be up to the you. Similar to the hormones used to prevent unwanted pregnancies. A girl, even a young girl, not fully developed, can go into an office and demand birth control.

There are some huge differences. Methamphetamine is a class II and testosterone and analogues are class III. That shows that the FDA believes that methamphetamine, along with other class II narcotics have the HIGHEST POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE among approved medications. A schedule I or class I drug is not approved for use at all and therefore, believed to have no medicinal value whatsoever. Remember now, that just a few years back, testosterone and analogues were not even class III. That classification was put in place in 1991. Comparing a highly addictive recreational drugs to non-addictive performance-enhancing compounds is a stretch. A huge stretch. You can't put meth on par with testosterone in any sense - other than the fact that they'll both get you a severe legal punishment.

I'm not trying to make a case for why steroids should be legal. They will never be legal now. Getting a drug classified is hard but getting a drug unclassified? Not going to happen.

Perhaps the age of performance enhancing drugs is coming to an end. For real, there has to be a point where people say, "Gee wiz, it's just not worth it." But one thing that will not change is that it is human nature to desire an advantage over competition. So something will fill the gap no matter what.

 

[joeshow5]

I never said it was not a big deal. Of course it's a big deal. I'm not even saying that you should be able to use testosterone and analogues without a specialist's supervision. I'm just saying that it should be up to the you. Similar to the hormones used to prevent unwanted pregnancies. A girl, even a young girl, not fully developed, can go into an office and demand birth control.

There are some huge differences. Methamphetamine is a class II and testosterone and analogues are class III. That shows that the FDA believes that methamphetamine, along with other class II narcotics have the HIGHEST POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE among approved medications. A schedule I or class I drug is not approved for use at all and therefore, believed to have no medicinal value whatsoever. Remember now, that just a few years back, testosterone and analogues were not even class III. That classification was put in place in 1991. Comparing a highly addictive recreational drugs to non-addictive performance-enhancing compounds is a stretch. A huge stretch. You can't put meth on par with testosterone in any sense - other than the fact that they'll both get you a severe legal punishment.

I'm not trying to make a case for why steroids should be legal. They will never be legal now. Getting a drug classified is hard but getting a drug unclassified? Not going to happen.

Perhaps the age of performance enhancing drugs is coming to an end. For real, there has to be a point where people say, "Gee wiz, it's just not worth it." But one thing that will not change is that it is human nature to desire an advantage over competition. So something will fill the gap no matter what.

amen.