recent blood test, WOW!!! all read

[doktorspok]

Guys, i cant stress enough how important it is to make sure you get blood work done. i just went for a visit to my Doctor , hes cool and he is working with me to get me on HRT and some prescribed HGH. but we had to see the blood test results first.
well i go in ,while hes waiting for the nurse to bring in the blood test results, he listens to my heart and asks me if i just took something like a therogenic cause my heart rate was 120, i told him i just worked out but did taker ephedra earlier in the morning. so finally the labs come in and hes like TESTOSTERONE IS AT 3100NG. i was like whoa!!! then hes looking at the test a little closer and said, "are you taking anything for thyroid?" i said yeah t-3 cytomel. he tells me straight up stop taking it, you dont need it and it doesnt work exactly the way your trying to use it. im like ok.
little further down the list he sees my liver functions were elevated pretty good, so now im going to have to have a liver ultra sound for Hep C . he doenst think i have it, just as a precaution. but did say all the extra test is banging on my liver pretty good. bottom line wasant all that bad, he said "your okay just slow down" . he said its like im jogging right now, and another 120 days of this or so, could be something serious like heart failure. so im not into dying or anything right now, so i gotta take a little break i told him. he says , you dont have to go off, but anything over 1200-1500ng of test in your body is a waste, it doesnt go anywhere. so he suggested a 2 week break from everything and then a retest to see how i fall on the curve (testosterone) . so im not that bad , but im not really taking much.

500-600mg test week
200-300mg deca week
50 mcg T-3 a week
ephedrine / caffine before work out
clen
1 a-dex eod
10mg nolva daily

soo guys i know were all different in bdy chemistry and thing affect us all different, but take care of your health,

DOK

 

[Armageddon]

I've been wanting to get some blood work done. But I'm in no hurry as I've been putting everything off for some time. Does anyone know if Swale is still on any of the boards? Good to know that you are keeping an eye on it though.

 

[xcelbeyond]

I've been wanting to get some blood work done. But I'm in no hurry as I've been putting everything off for some time. Does anyone know if Swale is still on any of the boards? Good to know that you are keeping an eye on it though.

He's around but not sure what board he's at. I think maybe over at Meso.

He responds to e-mails though.

 

[Armageddon]

I thought as much, I think I still have his number, just too lazy to call and find out.

 

[Maverick]

Guys, i cant stress enough how important it is to make sure you get blood work done. i just went for a visit to my Doctor , hes cool and he is working with me to get me on HRT and some prescribed HGH. but we had to see the blood test results first.
well i go in ,while hes waiting for the nurse to bring in the blood test results, he listens to my heart and asks me if i just took something like a therogenic cause my heart rate was 120, i told him i just worked out but did taker ephedra earlier in the morning. so finally the labs come in and hes like TESTOSTERONE IS AT 3100NG. i was like whoa!!! then hes looking at the test a little closer and said, "are you taking anything for thyroid?" i said yeah t-3 cytomel. he tells me straight up stop taking it, you dont need it and it doesnt work exactly the way your trying to use it. im like ok.
little further down the list he sees my liver functions were elevated pretty good, so now im going to have to have a liver ultra sound for Hep C . he doenst think i have it, just as a precaution. but did say all the extra test is banging on my liver pretty good. bottom line wasant all that bad, he said "your okay just slow down" . he said its like im jogging right now, and another 120 days of this or so, could be something serious like heart failure. so im not into dying or anything right now, so i gotta take a little break i told him. he says , you dont have to go off, but anything over 1200-1500ng of test in your body is a waste, it doesnt go anywhere. so he suggested a 2 week break from everything and then a retest to see how i fall on the curve (testosterone) . so im not that bad , but im not really taking much.

500-600mg test week
200-300mg deca week
50 mcg T-3 a week
ephedrine / caffine before work out
clen
1 a-dex eod
10mg nolva daily

soo guys i know were all different in bdy chemistry and thing affect us all different, but take care of your health,

DOK

I am sorry to hear of the bad news but this is a prime example that just goes to show you that everybody reacts to AAS differently. Some people take large amounts and it barely affects them at all and other take small dosages and it does exaclty what this has done to you bro.

The question I have for you is this... Were you taking large amounts in the recent past. I don't personally think the build up would be that big of a deal however, in some people you can neve be to sure. If your levels were as they say, I would say to listen to the doc and slow down. You may just be one of those over sensitive individuals that responds to the slightest but of gear like most of respond to mega doses.

Good thing you got that blood test done. I hope everything turns out okay for you.


Maverick

 

[LATS]

GUYS, I HAVE SAID IT A THOUSAND TIMES.. the vast majority of people do not have the genetics for their body to utilize the massive amounts of gear with serious sides.. some people can handle boatloads and have very little in the way of sides.. the vast majority of us will have too many sides to justify the gains.. i have always said the for the average guy with average genetics that anything over 750 to the 1000 mgs of test is more than enough.. the problem is that the 1000 test is usually accompanied by 4 deca, some dbols ect.. if you can not gain off of 1000 test..period than adding more is just asking for trouble.. some guys, as i stated, can get away with more drugs and it does nothing but add quality muscle to their frames.. but, they are rare.. and gifted.. instead of adding more gear, look at your workouts and food.. take in more calories.. see what that does.. then look at the workouts.. am i training too hard for too long? am i training with too little intensity and need to ramp it up a bit.. food and training first.. the gear can only work if it has the proper enviroment.. give it what it needs and you will be suprised how little gear you need.. by the way.. this is not directed at doktorspok.. he found out the way most of us do.. by getting a test done.. but, this is directed to everyone.. no one needs to get into any health concerns here.. the only thing that i have suffered by was a screwy cholest readings.. everything else looks good on me.. whne i started taking nolva and niacin everyday with my cycle, they straightened out.. i am lucky but, i have never gone over a thousand total in my life.. too much of a puss i guess..

 

[Superior1]

I'm curious as to why your liver values where high if you were not on any orals. Test from everything I know will not drastically effect liver values.
UNless of course you had recently been on some orals, or have some underlying liver issues anyway.

Keep us updated on this.

 

[doktorspok]

no orals

not on any orals, and havent been for 7-8 weeks prior to test and before that i was running a little var and winni, for 6-7 weeks. the doc said all the extra test in the body was probaly the culprit for the elevated liver values. im just going to get a liver ultra sound as a precaution for hepatitis c, but like i said he said he almost positive i didnt have it but it is routine to get a ultra sound for liver function when my values looked like they did.

i want to re iterate, that iam fine and in good health, doc just wants to be positive there are no other complications and that the high test levels are infact causeing the liver values to go up. i am in no way reckless with my AAS use and do tons of reseach before i embark on my cycles and such. as Lats has said, most of us dont need high doses of AAS for it to be effective. and training and diet are first and gear just enhances everything.

im not as big as A lot of the other big boys on here are, im only 196 lbs and 5'6 tall. but i noticed since ive remained on lower doses for longer periods of time rater than high dose cycles, i stay at 190-195 but my muscularity becomes more pronounced . i feel like im growing all over, like arms, back, quads ect.. but my bodyweight will stay the same. HIGHER DOSES, and i just get more bloated other than that there is very little difference for me.

but i mainly posted this for others to see, cause i know there are a lot of guys using a lot more than this and dont get check ups. ive been gettting my check ups since ive been on AAS at the very least 1 time a year, but normally 2 times a year.

so the whole reason for the post is this, i thought i was on what many of us consider a light cycle, 600mg test, and 300 deca. ive made good gains in muscularity and strength and am pleased the way everything was falling into place. but after blood tests are done, i see things arent so great and could be much better. i know there are alot of peeps in cyber land who use much much more than this and dont get checked out. they will never know how bad there health can be if it goes unchecked.

take care all,
DOK

 

[KillerStack]

I'm curious as to why your liver values where high if you were not on any orals. Test from everything I know will not drastically effect liver values.
UNless of course you had recently been on some orals, or have some underlying liver issues anyway.

Keep us updated on this.

I have seen some data that shows that estrogen can be liver toxic(Like this) (so test could affect liver function from the aromatization).He is taking a-dex though.The Nolva could affect liver as well.

 

[Superior1]

It still doesn't make sense for injectable testosterone. I can see liver issues with oral contraceptives. Once injected the test and it's effects should be seen beyond splanchnic bed (liver/gut) on the systemic blood side.

I'd ask him about this next time you go in. I have heard and seen cases and I'm not sure of the clinical name were you can get a steroid induced hepatis and this could cause lingering and ongoing liver values to be out of whack.

It's possible even a viral reason for the values. But test is just not likely.
He sounds like a reasonable doc, and I probably don't know what the hell I'll really talking about. But it seems odd??

 

[Strunk]

Just got my labs back and I was told my Test level was 150. He said my wife's T-level was in check with mine.

 

[vaffancullo]

your liver values can easily still be slightly off because of the orals u took 6-7 weeks ago . it takes a while for your liver to regenerate itself.

 

[JAG]

I have suspected for some time that arimidex was responsible for elevated blood test results. I was very suprised last time when doc told me mine where high. I was on Test,EQ and dex. Had to be screened for Hep. and went so far as precautionary ultra sound.

I did find the following qoute whensearching for information:

"Occasionally, some people having Arimidex have had slight increases in cholesterol (blood fat). Some breast cancer patients may experience changes in their liver."

 

[Big A]

I'm curious as to why your liver values where high if you were not on any orals. Test from everything I know will not drastically effect liver values.
UNless of course you had recently been on some orals, or have some underlying liver issues anyway.

Keep us updated on this.

Maybe the doc didn't read the lab test properly to take into account the protein intake in the diet which greatly affects liver values.

 

[JAG]

Maybe the doc didn't read the lab test properly to take into account the protein intake in the diet which greatly affects liver values

How much can this effect liver values?

 

[dragonfire101]

when i had my lab test done my cholestrol was through the roof and my t3 was off. liver values were fine though.

 

[galaxy]

Times your cycle by 5 and my liver and kidneys were normal. My hdl on the other hand was a whopping 16! So, I need to watch that and my Blood pressure. But thats me. Like you said, were all different.

 

[massmonster32]

Wow interesting post reminds us we are all human and not indestructible. I thought they could rule out hep c through blood tests. Good luck you sound like you have a kwell doc. Swale mostly hangs out at Meso now I believe. MM

 

[JAG]

A post from another board I found interesting on subject

On why someone's liver values are high:

I will assume you're lifting weights. So your ALT and AST are probably just fine from your liver values. Those two enzymes are also released by your muscles when you work them lifting weights. There is no way for the lab to know where the ALT and AST is coming from. They can only tell you your bloodlevels and in a weight lifter that is not a complete way to test liver values. They should test GGT to determine if your values are indeed to high.

Clin J Sport Med. 1999 Jan;9(1):34-9. Related Articles, Links


Anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity: is it overstated?

Dickerman RD, Pertusi RM, Zachariah NY, Dufour DR, McConathy WJ.

The Department of Biomedical Science, University of North Texas Health Science Center, Fort Worth 76107-2699, USA.

OBJECTIVE: There have been numerous reports of hepatic dysfunction secondary to anabolic steroid use based on elevated levels of serum aminotransferases. This study was conducted to distinguish between serum aminotransaminase elevations secondary to intense resistance training and anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity in elite bodybuilders. DESIGN: This was a case-control study of serum chemistry profiles from bodybuilders using and not using anabolic steroids with comparisons to a cohort of medical students and patients with hepatitis. PARTICIPANTS: The participants were bodybuilders taking self-directed regimens of anabolic steroids (n = 15) and bodybuilders not taking steroids (n = 10). Blood chemistry profiles from patients with viral hepatitis (n = 49) and exercising and nonexercising medical students (592) were used as controls. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: The focus in blood chemistry profiles was aspartate aminotransferase (AST), alanine aminotransferase (ALT), gamma-glutamyltranspeptidase (GGT), and creatine kinase (CK) levels. RESULTS: In both groups of bodybuilders, CK, AST, and ALT were elevated, whereas GGT remained in the normal range. In contrast, patients with hepatitis had elevations of all three enzymes: ALT, AST, and GGT. Creatine kinase (CK) was elevated in all exercising groups. Patients with hepatitis were the only group in which a correlation was found between aminotransferases and GGT. CONCLUSION: Prior reports of anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity based on elevated aminotransferase levels may have been overstated, because no exercising subjects, including steroid users, demonstrated hepatic dysfunction based on GGT levels. Such reports may have misled the medical community to emphasize steroid-induced hepatotoxicity when interpreting elevated aminotransferase levels and disregard muscle damage. For these reasons, when evaluating hepatic function in cases of anabolic steroid therapy or abuse, CK and GGT levels should be considered in addition to ALT and AST levels as essential elements of the assessment.