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Risk of CJD and HIV through using HGH??? Opinions pls?...

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Anabolic Steroids Blog - BodyBuilding Blog - Dianabol Blog: More details on the www.slchealth-fitness.com / StayMassive.com steroids case.

The above blog in not only online but the press that covered the case ALL reported that there was a risk of contracting CJD/HIV from using the products sold..... From further research I have found that Mr. X was mainly selling AAS, Viagra generic, HGH & peptides, aswell as other ancillaries.... From what I can gather the press is dramatising HGH & going back to the 70s / 80s when HGH was harvested from cadavers & a number of people caught CJD from the HGH back then... But HIV????? All of Mr. X's Growth & peptide's were Chinese imports- but I seriously can't imagine that ANY chinese generic these days contains HGH harvested from cadavers- CAN ANY1 SHED ANY LIGHT ON THIS SUGGESTION?.... Also how can there be a risk of contracting HIV from ANY steroid/ HGH or peptide??? You hear of contaminants getting into the supply, BUT HIV???? If in any way, shape or form this would be possible then the manufacturing process of converting the raws to the finished product would certainly kill off any virus,or so u would think?? I've been around BB for a number of years & would have dismissed these claims as crap, except that virtually every paper in UK that followed the case made same claims of HIV/CJD & so did internet blogs??? Sounds like sensationalism to me, but I'm not a doctor & if anyone can shed any light on these claims then I'd be interested to hear it, because I use chinese generic HGH/ IGF1 myself & AAS & obviously this would be of MAJOR concern!!
What do u reckon guys & gals??? Read the BLOGS/ press statements urselves & draw your own conclusions!!:confused:
 

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HIV is a very weak virus especially extrinsically and does not live outside the body in blood once oxidized but for a few seconds so that theory is debunked. Unless you are sharing needles with an HIV pos person- which is stupid as hepatitis comes into play as well -which is much more of a concern/threat then no worries. Dont share pins with anyone-noone. Use it once and discard it responsibly
 
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What you posted is propagandous BS and is impossible to contract that way- after further reading your post. I got guys/gals who have beem poked in a clinical setting by known HIV + patients and they were fine. Its a tough virus to contract. Blood to blood is the only way and thats a fact. Anal sex, sharing needles, rough vaginal sex with transfer of blood involved, transfusions etc. Not from AAS or HGH. With those you must be careful of bacteria for the most part and BAC water takes care of that. So that post is shit with many incorrect and dated assertations that have been disproven-fact.
 

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what a load of shite. End of. At least He only got a suspended sentence. I was under the impression there was nothing illegal if you ditributed via the internet as long as the product was sent from outside the uk. Hope that is the case or my retirement plan is out of the window!
 

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HIV is a very weak virus especially extrinsically and does not live outside the body in blood once oxidized
viruses live a short time outside the body because they require hosts cells to survive. so its true that the HIV virus dies quickly outside the body, but not nearly in a few seconds like you stated

now what are stating about oxidation? do you think that the virus is oxidized when it contacts air and thats what kills it????? if so then thats plain silly. diatomic oxygen atoms in the air contacting an exposed virus won't affect it. perhaps if they were exposed to damaging hydroxyl radicals (OH) this would destroy them, but OH radicals aren't floating around in the air. strong UV rays could kill them but UV rays aren't from air, they are from strong sunlight or an artificial UV source.

maybe you meant oxidation of the blood? hemoglobin combining with oxygen does not kill the blood cells!!! now if it did AND the virus inhabited blood cells then the HIV virus could die from such a process. this is not what occurs however

summary - HIV dies outside the body because the cells it inhabits die outside the body - it has nothing to do with some kind of oxidation. the rate of death varies with the amount of cells. for example a large pool of blood would still have viable cells in the center longer than a small amount of blood or another tissue - this the HIV virus would live longer. this time can vary from minutes to a few hours, not seconds
 

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What you posted is propagandous BS and is impossible to contract that way- after further reading your post. I got guys/gals who have beem poked in a clinical setting by known HIV + patients and they were fine. Its a tough virus to contract. Blood to blood is the only way and thats a fact. Anal sex, sharing needles, rough vaginal sex with transfer of blood involved, transfusions etc. Not from AAS or HGH. With those you must be careful of bacteria for the most part and BAC water takes care of that. So that post is shit with many incorrect and dated assertations that have been disproven-fact.
Yeah, I'm thinking exactly the same thing m8- I am pretty knowledgable with my science & know my gear, so it is all news to me!!! If you read the Blog & all related News articles they are looking for a sensational story & wording the story in that way.... I think what they are suggesting is that he could have risked people contracting CJD thru his HGH ( SUGGESTING that he might have been distributing the old pituitary sourced hgh) & also risked people contracting HIV through his products- either the HGH OR the plungers & pins u can buy off the website.... It's not unusual for the press to blame HIV/ hep spread on people supplying needles etc, or that is how I read it!!! Like you say- dated assertions and propaganda BS- this article was only in the papers last week too!!
 

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viruses live a short time outside the body because they require hosts cells to survive. so its true that the HIV virus dies quickly outside the body, but not nearly in a few seconds like you stated

now what are stating about oxidation? do you think that the virus is oxidized when it contacts air and thats what kills it????? if so then thats plain silly. diatomic oxygen atoms in the air contacting an exposed virus won't affect it. perhaps if they were exposed to damaging hydroxyl radicals (OH) this would destroy them, but OH radicals aren't floating around in the air. strong UV rays could kill them but UV rays aren't from air, they are from strong sunlight or an artificial UV source.

maybe you meant oxidation of the blood? hemoglobin combining with oxygen does not kill the blood cells!!! now if it did AND the virus inhabited blood cells then the HIV virus could die from such a process. this is not what occurs however

summary - HIV dies outside the body because the cells it inhabits die outside the body - it has nothing to do with some kind of oxidation. the rate of death varies with the amount of cells. for example a large pool of blood would still have viable cells in the center longer than a small amount of blood or another tissue - this the HIV virus would live longer. this time can vary from minutes to a few hours, not seconds
Excellent post
 

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id say that science is deveolping in carzy ways these days and im sure some nifty chemist know how to keep virusus and bacteria alive and suitable for transfer, but crazy to think so. whats that place where they keep all those crazy things locked up like small pox? it really shows how much evil is out there in this world
 

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this should be deleted before ignorant people read it and start telling people false information
 

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Stewie its gettin old with you contradicting everthing I say. Look it up. As far as viruses go HIV is weak. In a pool of blood maybe it lives longer- true. But in a vial with bacteriostatic water or a cylinder with no blood for extended periods of time it will not survive without host. If you rated different viruses on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being strongest hiv may be a 3. Hepatitis may be a 7. Still Not something to risk. And in a drip of blood it (HIV) will survive seconds with oxidation. Fact- not your opinion. You sound like you have some science backround. Care to share your education? Cause I am stating facts and I do not know where you are getting your somewhat incorrect information. HIV is a weak virus. Period. Yes it depends on host (blood volume) but we are not talking litres of blood here. Mg's at most. Ever here of the CDC? Its here in Atlanta Ga- where i live. Its where I volunteer my time each and every thursday afternoon- in the hematologists lab. So please do your research prior to spewing opinionated assertations. Some maybe correct but some are certainly wrong.
HERE YA GO-
Question: How Long Does HIV Live Outside the Human Body?
One of the most common questions we get here at About.com's HIV site is regarding HIV and how long it lives outside the human body. People get concerned about touching someone or something and getting HIV-infected blood on their hands and becoming infected with HIV. Fortunately, HIV just doesn't infect the human body in that way.
Answer: Studies have proven time and time again that HIV does not survive well outside the human body. In artificially high concentrations produced in the lab, HIV drying that occurs outside of the body reduces the number of infectious viral particles by 99 percent in just a few hours. Since the concentration of HIV in blood or other bodily fluids is much lower, HIV drying outside the human body virtually eliminates all infectious HIV particles therefore making the risk of HIV infection from blood or bodily fluids outside the body essentially zero.
Keep in mind that while HIV infection from infectious bodily fluids outside the human body is essentially zero, other diseases like hepatitis B and C can and do occur. Therefore, any blood or bodily fluid outside the body should be considered a health risk and cleaned up using universal precautions and cleaning fluids that are known to kill viruses on contact

So unless you are stupidly sharing needles or vials with an HIV positie person the risk of contracting though obtained gear is zero.
viruses live a short time outside the body because they require hosts cells to survive. so its true that the HIV virus dies quickly outside the body, but not nearly in a few seconds like you stated

now what are stating about oxidation? do you think that the virus is oxidized when it contacts air and thats what kills it????? if so then thats plain silly. diatomic oxygen atoms in the air contacting an exposed virus won't affect it. perhaps if they were exposed to damaging hydroxyl radicals (OH) this would destroy them, but OH radicals aren't floating around in the air. strong UV rays could kill them but UV rays aren't from air, they are from strong sunlight or an artificial UV source.

maybe you meant oxidation of the blood? hemoglobin combining with oxygen does not kill the blood cells!!! now if it did AND the virus inhabited blood cells then the HIV virus could die from such a process. this is not what occurs however

summary - HIV dies outside the body because the cells it inhabits die outside the body - it has nothing to do with some kind of oxidation. the rate of death varies with the amount of cells. for example a large pool of blood would still have viable cells in the center longer than a small amount of blood or another tissue - this the HIV virus would live longer. this time can vary from minutes to a few hours, not seconds
 
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Stewie its gettin old with you contradicting everthing I say. Look it up. As far as viruses go HIV is weak. In a pool of blood maybe it lives longer- true. But in a vial with bacteriostatic water or a cylinder with no blood for extended periods of time it will not survive without host. If you rated different viruses on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being strongest hiv may be a 3. Hepatitis may be a 7. Still Not something to risk. And in a drip of blood it (HIV) will survive seconds with oxidation. Fact- not your opinion. You sound like you have some science backround. Care to share your education? Cause I am stating facts and I do not know where you are getting your somewhat incorrect information. HIV is a weak virus. Period. Yes it depends on host (blood volume) but we are not talking litres of blood here. Mg's at most. Ever here of the CDC? Its here in Atlanta Ga- where i live. Its where I volunteer my time each and every thursday afternoon- in the hematologists lab. So please do your research prior to spewing opinionated assertations. Some maybe correct but some are certainly wrong.
HERE YA GO-
Question: How Long Does HIV Live Outside the Human Body?
One of the most common questions we get here at About.com's HIV site is regarding HIV and how long it lives outside the human body. People get concerned about touching someone or something and getting HIV-infected blood on their hands and becoming infected with HIV. Fortunately, HIV just doesn't infect the human body in that way.
Answer: Studies have proven time and time again that HIV does not survive well outside the human body. In artificially high concentrations produced in the lab, HIV drying that occurs outside of the body reduces the number of infectious viral particles by 99 percent in just a few hours. Since the concentration of HIV in blood or other bodily fluids is much lower, HIV drying outside the human body virtually eliminates all infectious HIV particles therefore making the risk of HIV infection from blood or bodily fluids outside the body essentially zero.
Keep in mind that while HIV infection from infectious bodily fluids outside the human body is essentially zero, other diseases like hepatitis B and C can and do occur. Therefore, any blood or bodily fluid outside the body should be considered a health risk and cleaned up using universal precautions and cleaning fluids that are known to kill viruses on contact

So unless you are stupidly sharing needles or vials with an HIV positie person the risk of contracting though obtained gear is zero.
There is a LOT of propaganda surrounding HIV. For example, they don't want to create fear of people with HIV (look what happened to lepers). Another example, they outwardly lie about how hard it is for a male to contract HIV from a female. There are several reasons for these lies, ones I won't go into.

That being said, there is a reason HIV doesn't live long outside the body, because the concentration in even blood is rather low, HOWEVER if the concentration was high enough, it could live a very long time...
 

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Bro just dont share needles or even amps or vials. Quite simple common sense. And yes it is difficult for a male having vaginal intercourse with a female (no mestrual bleeding) quite hard to contract. Enough with the conspiracy theories. They are theories not factual- as I base my post on. No offense bro but fact is fact not theory. Out

There is a LOT of propaganda surrounding HIV. For example, they don't want to create fear of people with HIV (look what happened to lepers). Another example, they outwardly lie about how hard it is for a male to contract HIV from a female. There are several reasons for these lies, ones I won't go into.

That being said, there is a reason HIV doesn't live long outside the body, because the concentration in even blood is rather low, HOWEVER if the concentration was high enough, it could live a very long time...
 

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Fact of the matter is that .25% HIV men infected vs total number infected(testing positive):
1. never used/shared needles
2. Never had homosexual sex
3. Never had blood transfusions
So that concludes HIV is difficult to obtain so you will not get from a vial

As the old adage goes- you are more likely to win the lottery or get struck by lightening. It is a difficult disease to aquire. These are Facts. You almost have to go out of your way to try. Numbers don't lie. There are other illnesses that must be worried about like heart disease (#1 killer) and cancer and accidents. One not need to worry about HIV if somewhat responsible in behavior. Certanly not in a vial that been sittin around for months after production injected IM. Dispute these numbers? Check the CDC facts. Pure ignorance. Anyone here know a straight male infected that is not on the down low, unfortunate transfusion recipient or IV user? Think not as they account for 1/4 of 1% of unfortunate souls. That is .25% of male cases diagnosed and of those Im sure there are some % that lie about homosexual or IV drug experimenatation out of perceived shame.
 
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Fact of the matter is that .25% HIV men infected vs total number infected(testing positive):
1. never used/shared needles
2. Never had homosexual sex
3. Never had blood transfusions
So that concludes HIV is difficult to obtain so you will not get from a vial

As the old adage goes- you are more likely to win the lottery or get struck by lightening. It is a difficult disease to aquire. These are Facts. You almost have to go out of your way to try. Numbers don't lie. There are other illnesses that must be worried about like heart disease (#1 killer) and cancer and accidents. One not need to worry about HIV if somewhat responsible in behavior. Certanly not in a vial that been sittin around for months after production injected IM. Dispute these numbers? Check the CDC facts. Pure ignorance. Anyone here know a straight male infected that is not on the down low, unfortunate transfusion recipient or IV user? Think not as they account for 1/4 of 1% of unfortunate souls. That is .25% of male cases diagnosed and of those Im sure there are some % that lie about homosexual or IV drug experimenatation out of perceived shame.
You do not have to be a homosexual to have anal sex... You can just have anal sex with a female. Using the term "homosexual" may be misleading in this case...
 

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Im quotting literature that clearly states "homosexual anal intercourse." She is at more risk than you would be. Lots of capillaries and tearing in anus and absorbsion of contaminated semen. Sounds nasy!

You do not have to be a homosexual to have anal sex... You can just have anal sex with a female. Using the term "homosexual" may be misleading in this case...
 

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Stewie its gettin old with you contradicting everthing I say.
didn't realize that was the case. i don't pay much attention to you enough to remember. i was merely making a comment on a board thread. i am flattered you remember me for some reason. thanks! :)

Look it up.
i seem to recall kids in elementary school say this all the time. dude its true look it up!!!!!!

(HIV) will survive seconds with oxidation. Fact- not your opinion.
you don't know what oxidation is do you? since your statement of HIV being 'oxidized' is so vague i am assuming you are referring to a redox reaction involving cellular respiration. how would this kill the virus? possibly you are saying 'oxidation' when you mean that exposure to air may effect the redox state? is this the case? do you believe that diatomic oxygen in the air will affect the nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide/nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate ratio of the virus? this state of course affects metabolites such as acetoacetate, lactate, pyruvate and beta-hydroxybutyrate which alters basic biological processes. if that is the case, it would actually be hypoxia that could induce such a state - the lack of oxygen. either way merely exposing the virus to oxygen would not cause any of these things to occur. also consider that the processes i indicated are basic of cells. viruses are not classified as cells. they use cells to carry out their own genetic programming. upon further consideration, if any of the processes i mentioned could be affected by exposure to air, and they did cause the host cell to die, the virus would die because the cell died, as i have stated in the previous posts. this of course is contingent upon whether the virus is cell-associated, is secreted or lyses the host cells.

some other interesting reads:
The effect of oxidation and reduction on the infectivity of poliomyelitis virus
SpringerLink - Archives of Virology, Volume 11, Number 1
Atmospheric oxygen did not influence the inactivation under the experimental conditions applied

Oxidation of virus proteins during UV(254) and sin... [Environ Sci Technol. 2010] - PubMed result
another study showing increased virus deactivation with UV 254 irradiation and O2, mediated by sunlight. these things in combination will kill viruses


You sound like you have some science backround. Care to share your education?
bachelors degree in physics from cornell university, ithaca ny, 04. my only regret is that i did not attend college right out of high school. i graduated high school in 1994. one of my idols growing up was carl sagan. he died in 1996. had i gone right out of high school i could have met him and been in his lectures :(

Cause I am stating facts and I do not know where you are getting your somewhat incorrect information.
continually asserting that your statements are facts in no way alters reality

example - i am nine feet tall - FACT - look it up!!!! some things basic common sense. no one needs to 'look up' anything to know i am not 9 feet tall
 
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Stewie ya seem very defensive in your debate. I am referring to clinical data that is available to anyone thats why I say "look it up." I do not have the time to refence every statistic I paraphrase as I read multiple journals. Cornell is a prestigious University. Quite an accomplishment. I am simply stating facts and you seem to go against everything I say referring to this topic. My father is a practicing Hematologist, My sister is a Harvard Grad Cardiologist plus my respective degrees. I know my shit bro as I am board certified in multiple discliplines. Just seems that if you wanted to have a constuctive debate regarding issue at hand the personal attacks would not be your detracting factor and defence mechanism. And yes I remember you because on various posts you disagree and argue with me regarding scientific fact when my degrees and education quite simply superseed your respectable accomplishments. Now that is a personal attack that I bring to prove a factual point. There is room for both on this board and in fact I welcome a good argument and respect other points of view but your constant belittling of me is getting old. If ya want to bring it regarding this issue or others than I ask it be repectful cause beleive it I can get ugly too and have bitten my tongue but if ya keep it up it may get real ugly.
 

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when my degrees and education quite simply superseed your respectable accomplishments
alrighty then!!!! if you say so :) i am not in competition for titles with anyone. in fact there are many people with no degrees who are geniuses. some people are just gifted intellectually, degree or none

but if ya keep it up it may get real ugly.
you actually typed this on a forum? so i should watch what i say now because of your pseudo threat? LMFAO

you honestly aren't even worth conversing with.
 

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alrighty then!!!! if you say so :) i am not in competition for titles with anyone. in fact there are many people with no degrees who are geniuses. some people are just gifted intellectually, degree or none



you actually typed this on a forum? so i should watch what i say now because of your pseudo threat? LMFAO

you honestly aren't even worth conversing with.
Stewie, if you don't know this guy, he is a complete dumb ass and there is no sense in debating anything with him.

He doesn't mean oxidation but he is too stupid to realize he doesn't mean oxidation because he does not understand what oxidation is yet he speaks about it. Like he does most things.

He means drying. You see, in his mind, drying is oxidation because if something is dried it usually means it was exposed to air. Which he calls oxidation. Of course you understand very well what oxidation is because you know physics. He doesn't understand this though and he is way too stupid to listen.

He is right about what he says, he is just wrong in stating oxidation is the reason why it occurs. In normal concentrations found in nature, HIV will only survive for a very short period without a host. Minutes at the most, never days or even hours. This is not true for all viruses however, which he was right about as well.

He may say this is semantics, but if he were truly educated versus just enough knowledge to be dangerous as he is now, he would understand why someone would debate the issue when he erroneously states oxidation is the cause.

Oh, and you better watch out bro, because he was Gladiator in 1994 and he might come kick your ass. Bwhahaaahhahhhhah! :D

Rex.
 

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