Started TRT regimen, testosterone/hormones have gone CRAZY!

[rjrjschultz]

I am a 53 year old male who just finished a 22 week program of HRT therapy. My given protocol by the clinic was as follows:

* 220 mg. testosterone cypionate IM once a week
* 1 mg of anastrozole twice a week ( 2 mg. total)
* 500 IU of HCG. twice a week ( 1000 IU. total)

The protocol was based on the following Lab test results:

Testosterone 325 nl/dl Normal 241 - 827
Free Testosterone 8.3 pg/ml Normal 7.2 - 24.0
SHBG 48 nmol/L Normal 14.50 - 48.4
Estradiol 26 pg/ml Normal 7.6-42
FSH 2.7 mIU Normal 1.4 -18
LH 2.8 mIU Normal 1.5 - 9.3
IGF-1 59 ng/ml Normal 87 - 238

Thyroid results were midrange normal

Before the TRt program I was a 53 yr old male in fairly good shape (6-0" and 188lbs.)that had andropause symptoms: moody, crabby, tired, no energy , lack of drive, no libido, lots of headaches,etc.

Started the TRT regimen and everything was going great. I felt better, my daily headaches went away, my energy level soared, and my libido improved, my weight training workouts improved. One NEGATIVE: my testicles stared shrinking and my nipples got tender

Had my blood work checked after 22 weeks(Had just started the next 20 week phase). The results were as follows. These are NOT missprints

Testosterone 4839 nl/dl Normal 241 - 827
Free Testosterone > 49 pg/ml Normal 7.2 - 24.0
SHBG 51.9 nmol/L Normal 14.50 - 48.4
Estradiol 85.3 pg/ml Normal 7.6-42
FSH 0.3 mIU Normal 1.4 -18
LH <0.2 mIU Normal 1.5 - 9.3
IGF-1 79 ng/ml Normal 87 - 238

My consultant at the internet site anti-aging clinic (with real actual clinic in Florida) called
with the results and were astounded and concerned. They had never seen a testosterone level that high before. Apparently Labcorp hadn't either and re-ran a 2nd blood sample to make sure.

My new protocol they gave to me is:

* 100 mg of testosterone cypionate per week IM

* 3000 IU of HCG per week (500IU x 6 days)

* 1 mg of anastrozole 3 times per week for 4 weeks

* 10 mg of tamoxiphen 3 times per weeks for 4 weeks

* 50 mg stanolozol troche 3 time a week starting Feb 7th , 2010
for 4 weeks.

After reading some of the various threads on this site I am more confused than ever. I stopped taking the testosterone 3 weeks ago to try to get the levels down. I am taking 1200-1500 IU of HCG per week(no more than 500IU per injection). I am taking the anastrozole and the tamoxiphen as instructed. my sore nipples have gone away. I was going to resume the testosterone Feb 7, 2010 at the 100 mg IM per week.

HELP! What the HECK happened? Any constructive feedback will be greatly appreciated.

 

[oldfella]

I am a 53 year old male who just finished a 22 week program of HRT therapy. My given protocol by the clinic was as follows:

* 220 mg. testosterone cypionate IM once a week
* 1 mg of anastrozole twice a week ( 2 mg. total)
* 500 IU of HCG. twice a week ( 1000 IU. total)

The protocol was based on the following Lab test results:

Testosterone 325 nl/dl Normal 241 - 827
Free Testosterone 8.3 pg/ml Normal 7.2 - 24.0
SHBG 48 nmol/L Normal 14.50 - 48.4
Estradiol 26 pg/ml Normal 7.6-42
FSH 2.7 mIU Normal 1.4 -18
LH 2.8 mIU Normal 1.5 - 9.3
IGF-1 59 ng/ml Normal 87 - 238

Thyroid results were midrange normal

Before the TRt program I was a 53 yr old male in fairly good shape (6-0" and 188lbs.)that had andropause symptoms: moody, crabby, tired, no energy , lack of drive, no libido, lots of headaches,etc.

Started the TRT regimen and everything was going great. I felt better, my daily headaches went away, my energy level soared, and my libido improved, my weight training workouts improved. One NEGATIVE: my testicles stared shrinking and my nipples got tender

Had my blood work checked after 22 weeks(Had just started the next 20 week phase). The results were as follows. These are NOT missprints

Testosterone 4839 nl/dl Normal 241 - 827
Free Testosterone > 49 pg/ml Normal 7.2 - 24.0
SHBG 51.9 nmol/L Normal 14.50 - 48.4
Estradiol 85.3 pg/ml Normal 7.6-42
FSH 0.3 mIU Normal 1.4 -18
LH <0.2 mIU Normal 1.5 - 9.3
IGF-1 79 ng/ml Normal 87 - 238

My consultant at the internet site anti-aging clinic (with real actual clinic in Florida) called
with the results and were astounded and concerned. They had never seen a testosterone level that high before. Apparently Labcorp hadn't either and re-ran a 2nd blood sample to make sure.

My new protocol they gave to me is:

* 100 mg of testosterone cypionate per week IM

* 3000 IU of HCG per week (500IU x 6 days)

* 1 mg of anastrozole 3 times per week for 4 weeks

* 10 mg of tamoxiphen 3 times per weeks for 4 weeks

* 50 mg stanolozol troche 3 time a week starting Feb 7th , 2010
for 4 weeks.

After reading some of the various threads on this site I am more confused than ever. I stopped taking the testosterone 3 weeks ago to try to get the levels down. I am taking 1200-1500 IU of HCG per week(no more than 500IU per injection). I am taking the anastrozole and the tamoxiphen as instructed. my sore nipples have gone away. I was going to resume the testosterone Feb 7, 2010 at the 100 mg IM per week.

HELP! What the HECK happened? Any constructive feedback will be greatly appreciated.

I put a response in the other forum you originally posted in. I am not sure what you are looking for here. What I see before me is more of a mild cycle than trt. I mean Stanozolol, HCG, Nolva, anastrazole, and test!! This is far from TRT as many Doctors would call it. I would say that you are one lucky mofo to get this done legit!!
SO as the saying goes.......do not look a gift horse in the mouth, get on his back and ride that sucker hard. My previous response will pretty much tell you what happened.

 

[Oldlifter]

*LOL*. Everyone needs a clinic like this one!





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[morepain]

your "doctor" is a fucking moron.

step one - blood work ok got that

step two - introduce test cyp at 100mg shot in two 50mg shots say on monday and thursday

do nothing else for 8 weeks

step three - rerun labs to check free and total t , e2 and total estrogens, CBC

step four - if e2 is elevated significantly add arimidex at 1mg PER WEEK ideally in split .25mg doses

step 5 maintain for 4 weeks

step 6 rerun labs

step 7 potentially introduce hcg at 250iu 2 to 3x weekly ... myself i don;t use it and most that do end up with a difficult time managing e2. alot of guys will say i am crazy but i have seen it over and over...you get stabilized then throw in the hcg and shit goes haywire

your high dose of hcg is prob what caused the nipple issues


Your doc is throwing in way too much arimidex just on a guess that your e2 will elevate significantly....crap its at 26 which is dead on perfect....what if it didn't elevate significantly in response to the testosterone? well guess what he just drove your e2 into the floor.

AGAIN YOUR DOCTOR IS A FUCKING MORON

 

[EasyEJL]

My new protocol they gave to me is:

* 100 mg of testosterone cypionate per week IM

* 3000 IU of HCG per week (500IU x 6 days)

* 1 mg of anastrozole 3 times per week for 4 weeks

* 10 mg of tamoxiphen 3 times per weeks for 4 weeks

* 50 mg stanolozol troche 3 time a week starting Feb 7th , 2010
for 4 weeks.

After reading some of the various threads on this site I am more confused than ever. I stopped taking the testosterone 3 weeks ago to try to get the levels down. I am taking 1200-1500 IU of HCG per week(no more than 500IU per injection). I am taking the anastrozole and the tamoxiphen as instructed. my sore nipples have gone away. I was going to resume the testosterone Feb 7, 2010 at the 100 mg IM per week.

HELP! What the HECK happened? Any constructive feedback will be greatly appreciated.

The stanazol + tamoxifen make sense given how ridiculously high your shbg is and the nipple sensitivity respectively. The 3000iu HCG dose is fucking crazy unless you are trying to get someone pregnant, and even for fertility use its over the top. I'd drop the hcg to 250iu 2x a week on days 5+6 (calling the day you inject testosterone day 1). Keep the rest of the items as is, and ride it out for a month and retest. Or possibly if the anastrozole is tabs rather than caps, break them in half and do .5mg 3x a week instead.

Its kind of intriguing that without other androgen use your SHBG is that high.

 

[rjrjschultz]

Re: Morepain reply

your "doctor" is a fucking moron.

step one - blood work ok got that

step two - introduce test cyp at 100mg shot in two 50mg shots say on monday and thursday

do nothing else for 8 weeks

step three - rerun labs to check free and total t , e2 and total estrogens, CBC

step four - if e2 is elevated significantly add arimidex at 1mg PER WEEK ideally in split .25mg doses

step 5 maintain for 4 weeks

step 6 rerun labs

step 7 potentially introduce hcg at 250iu 2 to 3x weekly ... myself i don;t use it and most that do end up with a difficult time managing e2. alot of guys will say i am crazy but I have seen it over and over...you get stabilized then throw in the hcg and shit goes haywire

your high dose of hcg is prob what caused the nipple issues


Your doc is throwing in way too much arimidex just on a guess that your e2 will elevate significantly....crap its at 26 which is dead on perfect....what if it didn't elevate significantly in response to the testosterone? well guess what he just drove your e2 into the floor.

AGAIN YOUR DOCTOR IS A FUCKING MORON

I had another member who private messaged me regarding what clinic I used. Apparently that other person used the same internet clinic as I did. That other person had the same problem as I did. He had very similar hormone levels as I did on the initial bloodwork. They then start you out real high with testosterone, anastrozole, HCG. Then they have to sell more of their inflated meds at high prices to get you down to more normal levels. That person switched to another clinic. His new regimen is very similar to your suggested protocol:
-50 mg testosterone cypionate IM. twice a week.
- .25 to .5 mg of anastrozole weekly
- 250 IU of HCG x 2 days a week

Apparently less is better of the HCG. I was told by my clinic that more HCG was better to keep your own testicles in working order while on the testosterone.

You're right about my E2. It went from 26 before I started TRT to 85(in 5 months) and was taking anastrozole ( 2 mg per week). The clinic told me that the anastrozole was to keep the testosterone cypionate from breaking down to E2(estradiol). Maybe too much HCG and testosterone for the anastrozole to handle.

BTW my anastrozole is in capsule form so I did order some extra empty gelatin capsules(over the internet) to see if I can divide it up to lower dosages (still have 45 1 mg. capsules to use yet).

I have never talked to a doctor at the clinic. It's been my advisor and a nurse practitioner.

I appreciate the input, Thanks Didn't know going on TRT would be so difficult.

General question for anybody. Would testosterone cream in low dosage been a better alternative. That's what I wanted to do in the first place but my clinic advisor talked me into the testosterone cypionate shots.

 

[rjrjschultz]

RE; EasyEJL

The stanazol + tamoxifen make sense given how ridiculously high your shbg is and the nipple sensitivity respectively. The 3000iu HCG dose is fucking crazy unless you are trying to get someone pregnant, and even for fertility use its over the top. I'd drop the hcg to 250iu 2x a week on days 5+6 (calling the day you inject testosterone day 1). Keep the rest of the items as is, and ride it out for a month and retest. Or possibly if the anastrozole is tabs rather than caps, break them in half and do .5mg 3x a week instead.

Its kind of intriguing that without other androgen use your SHBG is that high.

There was no other androgen use. The only thing I had was a injection of PT-141 the night before. (Hotel night with wife away from our kids). I haven't heard of PT-141 skewing hormone levels especially estradiol and SHBG. That involves a process over time

 

[maldorf]

your "doctor" is a fucking moron.

step one - blood work ok got that

step two - introduce test cyp at 100mg shot in two 50mg shots say on monday and thursday

do nothing else for 8 weeks

step three - rerun labs to check free and total t , e2 and total estrogens, CBC

step four - if e2 is elevated significantly add arimidex at 1mg PER WEEK ideally in split .25mg doses

step 5 maintain for 4 weeks

step 6 rerun labs

step 7 potentially introduce hcg at 250iu 2 to 3x weekly ... myself i don;t use it and most that do end up with a difficult time managing e2. alot of guys will say i am crazy but i have seen it over and over...you get stabilized then throw in the hcg and shit goes haywire

your high dose of hcg is prob what caused the nipple issues


Your doc is throwing in way too much arimidex just on a guess that your e2 will elevate significantly....crap its at 26 which is dead on perfect....what if it didn't elevate significantly in response to the testosterone? well guess what he just drove your e2 into the floor.

AGAIN YOUR DOCTOR IS A FUCKING MORON

AMEN. I was surprised to read this thread. I take just 125 mg/wk and my level is about 850 and I use no HCG. You dont even need HCG. I could care less if my nuts look like raisins, and thats all the HCG is really good for. Just take test and thats it. I take 125 mg/wk (in one shot on sundays) and im good to go.

 

[emeric delczeg]

your "doctor" is a fucking moron.

step one - blood work ok got that

step two - introduce test cyp at 100mg shot in two 50mg shots say on monday and thursday

do nothing else for 8 weeks

step three - rerun labs to check free and total t , e2 and total estrogens, CBC

step four - if e2 is elevated significantly add arimidex at 1mg PER WEEK ideally in split .25mg doses

step 5 maintain for 4 weeks

step 6 rerun labs

step 7 potentially introduce hcg at 250iu 2 to 3x weekly ... myself i don;t use it and most that do end up with a difficult time managing e2. alot of guys will say i am crazy but i have seen it over and over...you get stabilized then throw in the hcg and shit goes haywire

your high dose of hcg is prob what caused the nipple issues


Your doc is throwing in way too much arimidex just on a guess that your e2 will elevate significantly....crap its at 26 which is dead on perfect....what if it didn't elevate significantly in response to the testosterone? well guess what he just drove your e2 into the floor.

AGAIN YOUR DOCTOR IS A FUCKING MORON

I don`t think that is a real MD, 100% he is a moron.