Test base?

[Westbeast85]

I always see the recommendation for a base of 500mg of test when using other AAS such as Deca or Tren. Why is this? Years ago we did cycles of Deca and Winny or Eq, Primo and Winny. I appreciate your input guys.
West

 

[njpooldude]

compared to alot of guys here im a novice.... but i THINK its because test is so badass that its just great having it in all bulking cycles because of its ability to add so much mass, so quick. what i never understand is why ppl always say run the test higher then other compounds...



u can do anything u want... i guess adding test always makes any cycle "better"??

again this is just 0.02

 

[rippedout]

all steroids shut down natural test production. use test as a base to keep your dick working. test also makes you feel good. test is what makes men men. exogenous test replaces natty test.

test is also the king of building mass.

 

[oldfella]

Test is responsible for building muscle and maintaining your male characteristics. Test will also burn a hell of a lot of fat if your diet is right. No Test, No real significant gains, pretty simple really!!

 

[Westbeast85]

Okay, but all AAS are derivatives of testosterone and have similar properties...No disrespect, but still looking for a solid answer. Thanks,West

 

[Westbeast85]

Also, many old school guys would cycle Eq with Winny for incredible gains, or Tren with other non-test substances with great results...Thanks, in advance for your input.

 

[smootheavy]

Okay, but all AAS are derivatives of testosterone and have similar properties...No disrespect, but still looking for a solid answer. Thanks,West

the reason is that testosterone works synergistaically with other compounds and for the most part will limit sides such as lack of sex drive and impotence

yes I know that people used to stack say eq and winny and some still do and that is fine.

 

[Mr. Muscles]

please any input!

yall i cant find out how to reconstitite test base in oil, 20%bb, 2% a does not work crystals always come back no matter what temp cooked to, what solvent or procedure am i missing ,

 

[UncleMings]

the reason is that testosterone works synergistaically with other compounds and for the most part will limit sides such as lack of sex drive and impotence

yes I know that people used to stack say eq and winny and some still do and that is fine.

thats pretty much it IMO. you really dont need to run it. but we all do in our cycles.

i use to run deca/dbol cycles and shit my ex wasnt happy . started running test as my foundation for a cycle and no probs in that department nemore. plus the gains are much better too.

 

[GANCHO]

depending on your age some people see results with 250 mg of test a week if it's your first run.

 

[h8tr3d]

i think test is one of the only steroids you can run by itself and get great results, that are fairly solid. Like stated above, it also keeps your peter working

 

[h8tr3d]

yall i cant find out how to reconstitite test base in oil, 20%bb, 2% a does not work crystals always come back no matter what temp cooked to, what solvent or procedure am i missing ,

you should start a new thread about what your asking

 

[MyTMouse]

ok, the following is simply "my opinion". it is based on a good bit of AAS knowledge, and some past experience as well. This is by no means gospel, it is simply "my opinion" on why a guy should always include test in his cycle:

Though it is true that all AAS are in some way, shape, or form based on testosterone, all of them are chemically "different" than testosterone. In other words, they are more "foreign" to the body. Esterfied testosterone (or any synthetic testosterone) is a foreign substance to the body, this is true, however the body is more "used to" testosterone than say nandrolone for example. This is often times the reason testosterone is recommended as a first cycle.

This is one reason Test is often recommended as part of every cycle. Usually new users are advised to add only one new substance at a time. For example:

1st cycle Test E
2nd Cycle Test E and DBol
3rd Cycle Test E, DBol, and EQ
4th cycle TEst E, DBol, EQ, and Deca

etc, etc.

of course some people will never use more than 2 drugs, or some only one, because everyone is different.

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another thing to consider is something that has been touched on earlier in this thread: comfort.

As men, our bodies get accustomed to having testosterone in our bodies. When "cut our bodies off" from testosterone, it often makes us feel differently. Some guys get depressed, some feel that they have no energy, some stay angry and frustrated, etc. Of course there is also sexual functionality that is involved, that may or may not be affected by other drugs.

Keep in mind that if test makes you feel more "normal", then the side effects you experience from other drugs will be less impactful. If you are already pissed off because of a lack of testosterone, I can imagine that the increased aggression from tren or halotestin, can only be more likely to be "misdirected".

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the third and final one I will address (a.k.a. that I can think of off the top of my head), is cycle length. Which actually the other two tie into this.

Now, I'm a young buck, but from what I've read about "old school" cycles, they usually weren't very long. 8-10 weeks or so. If I'm wrong, then the rest of what I'm about to say is pure BS, but from my understanding this is the case.

Today, long cycles are not uncommon. some guys stay on year-round even. I could not see staying on year round, or even a 16-20 week cycle without testosterone. That would be horrible for me personally, and I think a lot of people feel that way.

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once again, this is just my opinion, but I think it's one that a lot of people share. Hopefully this is along the lines of the kind of answer you were looking for. If you want me to explain anything in more detail, feel free to post, or PM me. Or if you just want to comment, go for it.