testosterone and fertility

[richie34]

does taking testosterone affect sperms abbility to "swim" or just lower actual sperm count? dave palumbo says if someone takes 1000mg or more a week there count will be fine but doesnt mention wether it will affect the sperms ability to swim thanks in advance for any replys

 

[aesop]

BS. Taking exogenous testosterone will decrease fsh and lh so yeah it will decrease your count and doesn't effect motility of the sperm.

 

[MrWannabe]

Some real scientific input, I just got my wifey pregnant 4 weeks after finshing 600mg test + 400mg deca per week for 16 weeks.

 

[GoneForever]

WOW very cool news. I didnt know that AAS only reduced the count, but the mobility is still the same. Mobility is the most important anyway.

 

[aesop]

WOW very cool news. I didnt know that AAS only reduced the count, but the mobility is still the same. Mobility is the most important anyway.

Yeah you can still get the wife, or girlfriend, or random slut pregnant, so don't rely on it for BC. High levels of test will decrease sperm production but the ones you do make will still be normal. Steroids do not effect the sperm that is produced in a negative way ie. they are not any more likely to have mutations etc than a sperm created under normal conditions

 

[iconoclast]

does taking testosterone affect sperms ability to "swim" or just lower actual sperm count? dave palumbo says if someone takes 1000mg or more a week there count will be fine but doesnt mention wether it will affect the sperms ability to swim thanks in advance for any replys

As it applies to this question, it mostly affects count.

However, extended usage and more directly far heavier usage also while aggressively using an anti-e or for whatever cause isn't going through conversion, there's more potential for defects and mutation of the sperm...(tapered heads, additional tails, that sort of thing) eventually mobility can be affected. But studies are limited in regards to unsupervised use. And the examples that are shown, are mostly cases following a situation in which someone has already been deemed infertile or having a problem with fertility, often following naturally occuring chromosomal abnormalities to heavy abuse often with other mitigating factors to be considered. And not really addressing this specific question...

Though honestly, most dudes aren't even aware of what their current hormone levels are or sperm count is... so concern about the effects seems a little base. Concern is natural and being aware is always a good idea but if a fellow doesn't know his count and levels to begin with then it sort of defeats the question of what too much might be....for that fellow.

 

[Qwert]

However, extended usage and more directly far heavier usage also while aggressively using an anti-e or for whatever cause isn't going through conversion, there's more potential for defects and mutation of the sperm...(tapered heads, additional tails, that sort of thing) eventually mobility can be affected.

This is complete BS. Show me where it says that AAS & anti e use causes sperm mutation?

 

[iconoclast]

However, extended usage and more directly far heavier usage also while aggressively using an anti-e or for whatever cause isn't going through conversion, there's more potential for defects and mutation of the sperm...(tapered heads, additional tails, that sort of thing) eventually mobility can be affected.

This is complete BS. Show me where it says that AAS & anti e use causes sperm mutation?

Show me any study where it doesn't? Show me any formal study in which it has looked at men who use it without including some biased based on the concept of addiction and abuse? Yeah. I know BS. I should think before speaking but what's the fun in that. pharmcast, j hopkins university, andrology journal suggest, however no formal study has been done in relation to (let's just say) "sports use", instead it's ... because "other mitigating factors to be considered" and often it's deemed on speculation in individuals are deemed infertile or examples of what they deem as "abuse", so it's all rather argumentative.

It's not directed towards AAS, most of it's speculation, but have you read the studies on XYY/XXY and mosiac treatments? Traditionally XYY/XXYs are infertile, mosiacs have a possibility for fertility and because of unstable counts in both, the use of HRT is often required, so the cross bridge of the study as it may apply to using synethetics and applying the outlaying structure of those isn't too farfetched to be held.

 

[GoneForever]

Wouldnt mutations cause birth defects on the child. I've never heard of an aas user having a child with some type of "problem" due to aas.

 

[Diesel250]

Wouldnt mutations cause birth defects on the child. I've never heard of an aas user having a child with some type of "problem" due to aas.

The sperm with defects never make it to the egg.
The sperm with two tales can only swim in circles.

 

[iconoclast]

I rather like fire, so burn as much as you please. The amount of elevation, in taking test, would far be above 1000, so if he asked, would taking 1000 have any affect? Overall, the answer would have been a simple no. But Sorry mate, it wasn't presented quite that simple. You want to simplifiy and clear it all - mutation has been, but not purely as a representation of taking AAS - although the HMS report clearly lists that as contributing factor, so the linking of the from increased levels as a result is very probable. Your question is manipulatative or it doesn't come through in translation - You make it so black and white, there's no definitive but too much of anything, is problematic. So to explain it, it would be the equivolent of trying to get 'high' from ingesting nutmeg from the spice rack, the amount you would need to take would be so much that other factors of toxicity would weigh in and one could point to any number of contributing factors. the hms report which primary is on cellular damage in the brain, body and systems as a result of elevated testosterone (but in detail - the level would be so much higher and for a consistently longer period of time than 'traditional' enhancement use.), in relation to this topic, it's mentioned in secondary, they're examples are pulled from individuals under medical usage - for an issue where they've linked it to issues concerning shrinkage and over heating, people who have chromosomal abnormalities, enhancement usage was pulled from different categories from underage to people that used everything under the sun - recreational included, another primary was a male runner - which taking higher levels of test, no longer producing estogen on any wave length but also paired up with problems of LSH and other levels because of regular self-starvation - but even though other complicating factors are involved, they do list aas as a possibility for increased testosterone and more so, a contributing factor. Anti-e's it was inappropiate for me to say but not having any estrogen in the system when the body level of test is so high has problems, and the explaination of why estrogen has stopped been produced has been pointed in other directions.. and trying to explain to most men, a good portion of american men, in easy english, is always problematic to explain because it seems to always get dragged into inferiority complexes and masculinity, anything that deals that the genitals, hormones or production, so believe there's no limit that's going to affect mutation and breakdown in the slightest. Absolutely none. You've seen me say it, quote it as you please. Take as much as a good kobe cow, and just to clarify for you, I don't mean veal, and see it has absolutely no effect on how your little swimmers are formed, well, be it that you're not dead or dying from the other reactions of taking that much at once would have. Mind you, the majority of aas related death is suicide which is a joke of an excuse. But then if limited mobility, deformity (tapered) and overall production of sperm, of course, if there's already breakdown of cells in body and brain...it's the least of ones' trouble - complicating factors as a result doesn't automatically translate a. causes b. -- if a. causes option a-1,a-2,a-3, then B is a possibility. And arguably like the obituaries of a few famous people, who od'd - the drugs didn't kill them; the heart attack, two hookers, donkey show and the guy they owed money did.


So what answer do you want?

There's none that specifically deal with question as is. The primary of cell breakdown in relation to elevated testosterone (and they don't just mean slightly above normal or competitively above normal, they're talking so much higher that anyone should question the benefit.) and doesn't deal with this specific subject as it relates to traditional enhancement usage but it does mention of tapered heads and mutation, in the cases of the extreme. Oooooh!

 

[Swifto]

I read recently taking HCG, even on a cycle (hypogondal) can increase your sperm count by helping to miaintain FSH. HMG is meant to be even more effective at this action. Again, even if hypogondal.