The Unwritting Rule

[nartic]

I have been asked this question over and over, I have been seeing multiple threads asking about it. So I want to share some of the basics with everyone as to why testosterone is so important to be the base of each and every cycle.

As we all know, test is the overwhlelming king of all hormones produced in every males body. Without test in our system on a daily basis, males would fall apart litterally. When a males natural test levels drop below the normal range many negative effects will come from this. Loss of sex drive, easy to gain fat, feelings of depression, loss of lean muscle,inability to concentrate, and feeling lethargic or no energy and always tired.

These are just some of the few bad sides of having low natural testosterone levels.

Now diving into why test is so important in every cycle. You can go in and out of every thread here at TW and see questions about oral only cycles, EQ only cycles etc. It is important for everyone to understand that even the mildest of compounds such as Anavar or EQ have natural test suppressing capabilities. Meaning if you use most any compound without test, your natural ability to produce test will deminish.

Yes, you will have the EQ in your system and yes you will also have no test. This means you will have all the benefits from using EQ, but you will also have all the negative effects of having no testosterone and you will develop some or all of the negative sides that come with low test levels.

Now what happens if you go through this great cycle, you work hard and gain 15lbs and you dont have a successful PCT to get those natural test lelevs up to where they should be? You guessed it, you will lose all your gains. This is exactly why PCT is so important. Your body having natural test levels in normal range is important to keeping thos gains. The male body as related to bodybuilding revolves around testosterone.

My point being that as males we need to have our testosterone levels at a certain level at all times. Purposely dropping those levels by doing oral only cycles, or cycles without test not only is senseless but can make you take a step backwards in obtaining your goals.

So the next time you are researching and pre-planning your next cycle please consider all of this information and enjoy success in your growth.

This has been posted on another forum from a great friend of mine heed our wisdom lol no really its great info.

 

[td1111]

I was wondering about this, as I am currently using Primo, Var, and EQ since I had trouble with gyno last cycle using aromatizing compounds. My sex drive is down and I feel a bit lethargic, so should I add just a tiny amount of test E, as a temporary HRT? I really want to avoid estrogen and using Anti-E's since I get gyno easily and most all Anti-E's make me feel like shit.

As a side note, I notice a short but strong increase in sex drive the day after I inject 250mcg of HCG, which I am doing 2x/wk this cycle. I thought it might be causing a small burst of natural test like it's supposed to?

How much Test does the average joe produce naturally? Maybe 150mg/wk would make me feel better during this cycle?

 

[asilaydying]

I was wondering about this, as I am currently using Primo, Var, and EQ since I had trouble with gyno last cycle using aromatizing compounds. My sex drive is down and I feel a bit lethargic, so should I add just a tiny amount of test E, as a temporary HRT? I really want to avoid estrogen and using Anti-E's since I get gyno easily and most all Anti-E's make me feel like shit.

As a side note, I notice a short but strong increase in sex drive the day after I inject 250mcg of HCG, which I am doing 2x/wk this cycle. I thought it might be causing a small burst of natural test like it's supposed to?

How much Test does the average joe produce naturally? Maybe 150mg/wk would make me feel better during this cycle?

For most 100-150mg test would put you in the high range

 

[wb77black]

I was wondering about this, as I am currently using Primo, Var, and EQ since I had trouble with gyno last cycle using aromatizing compounds. My sex drive is down and I feel a bit lethargic, so should I add just a tiny amount of test E, as a temporary HRT? I really want to avoid estrogen and using Anti-E's since I get gyno easily and most all Anti-E's make me feel like shit.

As a side note, I notice a short but strong increase in sex drive the day after I inject 250mcg of HCG, which I am doing 2x/wk this cycle. I thought it might be causing a small burst of natural test like it's supposed to?

How much Test does the average joe produce naturally? Maybe 150mg/wk would make me feel better during this cycle?

we produce naturally between 2.5 and 11 mgs of test a day so do the math on what you can produce in a week naturally even 50 mgs a week of test e would be average although i would say a little higher would be better

 

[td1111]

I just injected 50mg of some Test prop I had on hand and will see how I feel this week. Thanks bros!

 

[buldog9]

Why is it that every thing I'v read [for thirty years]. And both doctors that have perscribed Anavar to me, said it will not shut down natural test. Why is it that when Im on anavar only, my blood work shows tests in narmal range. Does it have to do with dose, I have never taken over 30 mg per day.

 

[nartic]

When your body is getting something from outside of itself that it makes on its own (Like Test) it figures why make it anymore if am getting it from elsewhere an it slowly starts to decline in its production. Till it almost stops making it completely if the proper steps are not followed to get things back in order. Also the amount your taking would not effect you as taking say 500 to 750 mg a week of Test E250.
To: buldog9

 

[crisc44]

If you take Just Var, at a normal dose your test levels should be fine.

Iv done it plenty of times.

Now if you start to stack a bunch of shit, Var, primo, t-bol....ect.

Now you might have a problem as you are putting a lot more in your body.

Easy solution: Add some proviron. This will keep your sex drive going, and give you a feeling of well being.

Also, it's a nice ant-E.

 

[buldog9]

Crisc44

I know Anavar wont shut test down. Thanks for your responce. I'm trying to get an answer from Nartic why he is saying it will. All I got was why test will shut it down. I knew that 30 freckin years ago. I guess he didnt read my post accurately.

 

[nartic]

I was wondering about this, as I am currently using Primo, Var, and EQ since I had trouble with gyno last cycle using aromatizing compounds. My sex drive is down and I feel a bit lethargic, so should I add just a tiny amount of test E, as a temporary HRT? I really want to avoid estrogen and using Anti-E's since I get gyno easily and most all Anti-E's make me feel like shit.

As a side note, I notice a short but strong increase in sex drive the day after I inject 250mcg of HCG, which I am doing 2x/wk this cycle. I thought it might be causing a small burst of natural test like it's supposed to?

How much Test does the average joe produce naturally? Maybe 150mg/wk would make me feel better during this cycle?

Sorry about that. Just about every form of AAS whether oral or injectable is a derivative of either a test base, a DHT base, or a 19nor base. All compounds are just chemically altered from those original states. Plus the doses used is higher than what the compound was originally designed for. That is really the only reason I can think of. I have seen different studies over the years, and so many opinions on this that its hard to know for sure.

There are studies now that as they become more wide know about is going to change the way most of us think about AAS and cycles. These studies are that oral compounds such as anavar and dbol used in very low doses during PCT actually stimulate natural production along with helping to retain more gains. Doses in the 10mg ED range for anavar and 5mg ED for dbol.

To me this is a huge discovery, completely changes my approach to pct and my cycles.

Sorry about that buldog9 I did not understand your question at first.

 

[td1111]

There are studies now that as they become more wide know about is going to change the way most of us think about AAS and cycles. These studies are that oral compounds such as anavar and dbol used in very low doses during PCT actually stimulate natural production along with helping to retain more gains. Doses in the 10mg ED range for anavar and 5mg ED for dbol.To me this is a huge discovery, completely changes my approach to pct and my cycles.

I'd be very interested to read these studies. If one could easily monitor test/bloodwork, you could experiment with that and see how the body responds during PCT.