Thoughts on Bacon?

intensevolume1 · Jun 16, 2024

buck said:
I think other diet factors need to be considered as well. According to a CDC report i saw last year the average American eats less then 3 servings of veggies a day. They get more nutrition from the coffee then from veggies. But i agree with weight being an issue. In Japan it seems they do not eat whole grains, or go to gyms less and eat way more sodium then Americans but live longer. But are less likely to be over weight.

The diet issues are directly related to overconsumption of calories which make people fat and lifestyle choices. Veggies are hard to overconsume. In all of these studies the problem is the participants.
No studies that correlate x food with x health problem are using participants that are relatively healthy and aren't over fat.
The ones that use rodents they're overfeeding them and making them fat.

There is not a single person who is not fat who has developed type 2 diabetes or any other health issue from consuming a certain type of fat or any food.

buck · Jun 16, 2024

intensevolume1 said:
The diet issues are directly related to overconsumption of calories which make people fat and lifestyle choices. Veggies are hard to overconsume. In all of these studies the problem is the participants.
No studies that correlate x food with x health problem are using participants that are relatively healthy and aren't over fat.
The ones that use rodents they're overfeeding them and making them fat.

There is not a single person who is not fat who has developed type 2 diabetes or any other health issue from consuming a certain type of fat or any food.

It seems that most all diabetics consume far more carbs then they need from my reading. And numerous studies show people that eat more veggies and fruits tend to be healthier. So i ma not sure where you look for such info. And as 2/3 or people are over weight i agree that most any negative thing will be in that group. But people that are overweight and eat healthy still end up living longer it seems.

Eat fruit and vegetables, live longer | NIH MedlinePlus Magazine

Five servings of fruits and vegetables a day was linked to a reduced risk of death from some diseases.

magazine.medlineplus.gov

intensevolume1 · Jun 16, 2024

buck said:
It seems that most all diabetics consume far more carbs then they need from my reading. And numerous studies show people that eat more veggies and fruits tend to be healthier. So i ma not sure where you look for such info. And as 2/3 or people are over weight i agree that most any negative thing will be in that group. But people that are overweight and eat healthy still end up living longer it seems.

Eat fruit and vegetables, live longer | NIH MedlinePlus Magazine

Five servings of fruits and vegetables a day was linked to a reduced risk of death from some diseases.

magazine.medlineplus.gov

People call cookies pizzas cakes and donuts carb sources but the fact is they all contain more fat calories than carbohydrate calories. People are generally too stupid to use any sort of self reporting accurately. People who eat more fruits and veggies tend to make better lifestyle choices like less smoking, drinking, partying and other risky behaviors
There's a reason they're not using carbs to induce metabolic damage in lab rats

buck · Jun 16, 2024

intensevolume1 said:
People call cookies pizzas cakes and donuts carb sources but the fact is they all contain more fat calories than carbohydrate calories. People are generally too stupid to use any sort of self reporting accurately. People who eat more fruits and veggies tend to make better lifestyle choices like less smoking, drinking, partying and other risky behaviors
There's a reason they're not using carbs to induce metabolic damage in lab rats

I can agree with most all that. But in the real world i knew many men that became prediabetic and more. And i would think much of that was from the fat free candy they kept in their desk drawers which of course added more fat. Years ago when i was looking up studies what i saw showed Americans ate more fat up to the 1940's when the government started pushing how bad fats were. As their diets were 40%+ in fat calories. And the fat intake dropped carb intake went up and diabetes was picking up speed in those days and continued on through the no fat 80's into the 90's when people ate more carbs and less fat. Can't say what the latest data shows as that changes with time.
The average American diet is less healthy the a vegetarians. But much of that is life style induced as i point out for decades when talking to people and those to look beyond any 1 factor when looking at people. When lifestyles are the same and fat is controlled better and more veggies added the meat eater seems to do as well from the studies i have seen over the years. For myself when i added more veggies to my diet without changing other things 35 years ago the amount of times i got sick was less. Then a couple year later when living with a lacto/ovo vegetarian and doing all the cooking my health improved more to where i typically went several years at a time without feeling sick. Or course 1 case study means nothing.