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That link lists two options (1) hormone suppression which is what I am here to talk about and (2) SSRI's which have been discussed and stated that they did not work.

Hence my reason for being here to get input on the first option - androgen suppression. This is the place to talk to people who have run solo cycles (or experienced low libido through other hormonal mechanisms) as doctors typically wouldn't know half as much as most on this forum, nor would they know anything about non prescription AAS which is basically all of them.
 
Have you ever tried a 12 Step Sex program? I've been sober off of heroin and booze for 15 years through a 12 Step program. I've had a few friends work the steps in SLAA and they have had varying degrees of success.
 
Have you ever tried a 12 Step Sex program? I've been sober off of heroin and booze for 15 years through a 12 Step program. I've had a few friends work the steps in SLAA and they have had varying degrees of success.

Good thought in bringing that up. I have been to one in my area (one my brother was in as well - addiction runs in the family) but ultimately it wasn't a great program and was prohibitively far away. I am in the process of looking into others though. Would love to chat with you about your experiences if you'd like.

Also just have to pass on an enormous respect for your 15 years clean. Severe addiction of any kind is a beast to overcome so thanks for being an example to the rest of us
 
Scrotal application of test gel/ cream has highest conversion to DHT, greatly increasing sex drive. Take your test by inject and use Proscar to prevent DHT conversion. Sex drive will go way down.
 
Using outside help such as Sexaholics Anonymous or other forms of treatment may have a low success rate but it seems the treatment plan you have been using on yourself so far has had a zero rate of success. So trying something else would give you an exponentially greater chance of success it would seems.
 
Going to try and be constructive here; in no way to I mean to not be helpful my opinions are simply in stark contrast with yours. I will try and share as respectfully as I can.

First data - I frequently run 100-200mg of test (never over 300 really) and 300-900mg of EQ, Primo, Masteron etc. my sex drive does NOT change when I add the secondary compound. This whole estrogen crash thing, yes it suppresses a bit but not to the level the gym bros are talking about.

Onto the addiction phase - is it the chase/hunt, actual act, or the feeling of accomplishment after that you are addicted to? You need an actual behavioral study to understand if it’s a dopaminetic drive or a behavioral trigger. Medicating without truly understanding what the issue is like putting a bandaid on a massive hemmorhage.

I come from a community that struggles deeply with addiction to sex, opiates, etc. I have noticed various behavioral patterns. It’s always when guys come home from deployments and are not in a spin up phase or when they transition out and lose their purpose. Yes addiction is a real thing, yes neurochemistry is something I don’t begin to understand but bottom line…. If you are struggling with addiction like this I am willing to bet you are not living up to your potential. Enacting severe lifestyle changes should be the place to start and finding a way to serve something greater than yourself without copious free time.

We’re all men, we all have urges and desires. Good men are those who can control themselves and act with honor and distinction in a chaotic world.

I wish you the best but it sounds like an alcoholic saying how much weed can I smoke to stop drinking. Just not a good way to solve this problem.
 
Been on and off this forum for probably a decade but always found opinions here helpful.

Long story short I, like many (s/o Larry Wheels), have viewed the positive benefits of AAS on sex drive as fun over the years. However, I have not done a proper job with balance and regulation and I am at a point where I will readily admit that I have a sex addiction. It has drained my life to an extreme and I have tried groups, therapies, psychedelics among other things to address it without success. This is both neurochemical and behavioral in nature. It's taken an admittedly long time to get to a point where I will do anything to fix things but that is my goal. I will be in sex-addiction specific counseling during this time and augmenting with methylene blue, among other potential agents, to help keep dopamine levels as stable as possible while I go through withdraws.

I have decided to withdraw my HRT for the foreseeable future in order to have a better chance at managing things. I wish to use what I hope will be a time of increased clarity and control to do meditative work, cognitive behavioral therapy, etc to unfire and unwire neural connections while firing and rewiring new connections. Assuming no major problems along the way, I guess this process will take 6-12 months and am happily ready to trade low T for increased control.


My goal initially is to withdraw testosterone (scrotal cream) for 2 weeks and see how I feel. I will need to continue HPTA suppression during the 6-12 month period and I have not fully decided on how to do that. My thoughts are:

Trenbolone 10mg eod - 35mg/week: While tren is obviously known for increasing sex drive I have run it once in the absence of testosterone and did not have any libido. I was also in show prep at the time so unsure if it was the lack of test, the caloric depravation, or both. I like this idea because you still get AR stimulation and some potentially mild prolactin increases which could dampen sex drive as well.

Primobolan 50-100mg/week: I have not run primo in a long time but I do think this would be viable. My only concern here is crashing estrogen more than it already will be with the inherent AI effect that primo has and may reduce to zero any minor peripheral estrogen conversion I may get. I would likely augment this one with E2 replacement.

Equipoise 100mg/week: While I have not run EQ in a long time, I always tolerated it well. My concern here is the potential for anxiety increases with its effects on the GABA system that some people report. While I have not previously experienced this, I wonder if it may be exacerbated in the absence of testosterone. I do like that this would give me some E2 conversion.

DHB 50-100mg/week: This is probably my last option and least considered. Mostly because of mild BPH sides I have gotten in the past (and I'm young). If I were going between this and EQ I would probably pick EQ to get some mild E2 conversion. I would likely augment this one with E2 replacement as well.

Anavar 25-50mg/day 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off: This is also an option. I don't want to run orals constantly so this would be enough to keep my system suppressed.


I don't want to deplete my body of two essential hormones if I don't have to so, if I choose a non-aromatizing compound, I will likely talk to my doctor about a very low dose estradiol replacement and see if/what effect that has on how I feel.


Right now I am leaning towards tren or primobolan as a way to potentially augment the effects of "feeling" the low T but would love input from anyone if they have run any of the above compounds solo and what their experience was. Any input appreciated in advance. This has been a humbling experience for me and I hope to use it in order to help others suffering in the future.
Dude I would not use any hormones if I had a sex addiction and wanted to quit. I wouldn't even bother with hrt. Not until i.could get myself under control. What your doing to me is just adding different kind of fuels to a.fire to see if one might not be flammable
 
Sex addiction as in porn? If so I understand your frustration. The access is just so damn easy and just about anything (whatever kink interrest you) is just a few keystrokes away. This age of instant gratification is a double edged sword my friend. I don't know if it's my YouTube algorithm but I keep seeing stories, news reports, research about psychedelics being used in therapeutic settings in hopes of rewiring the brain. Evidently hallucinogens have the ability of altering the brains neuroplasticity helping addicts drop addictions in one "heroic dose treatment" session. You've tried Ibogaine. Have you tried any of the other hallucinogens (DMT, psilocybin) with set, setting and intention in mind?
 
I don't want to sound condescending. But you have an addiction to a biological need. This is different than a drug addiction. This is like a food or water addiction (first one Is far more common) people have to overcome their outlook and relationship with food, stopping hunger doesn't work. You should be talking to a therapist about your views and outlook on sex, if you're dealing with guilt from porn, molestation or kinks ect. Also having a partner with a matching libido and sexual tastes helps. It's an addiction when you're repeating the same behavior in the face of consequence. A therapist can help you far more than trying to reduce a normal biological function.
 
True. Deca did kill my libido. It would be on the list except that it gave me cystic acne which I'd like to avoid
Perhaps in the absence of any test and at the low doses you are looking at it would not???
 
I wish I was. I have been on SSRI's and they actually caused drastic increases in sex drive and impulsivity unlike they do in some patients. I have pursued every pharmacologic intervention that I personally know of without success so that leads me to pursing this option. Additionally, I am working with two different physicians on this as well. I have been off HRT a couple of times in the last few years for other reasons, however, and have not noticed any issues in terms of feeling unusually bad so I don't anticipate problems. That said, anything is worth it to get out of the cycle I let myself slip into.

Ideally I'd like constructive feedback here as well as personal experiences if anyone has them - I've been through the shaming of this cycle enough. I do understand your point though and it is taken to heart.

For further information, if it underscores the urgency, I am in medical school and risk not being able to continue in the program if change does not occur. I am willing to do anything to bring about that change.

For another reference, I have gone so far as to go through with a treatment of Ibogaine without success if that illustrates the lengths I have gone. I suppose the lack of success in this was partially due to the fact that my dose was not high enough. I am pursing a higher dose medically monitored treatment this summer, however, as a potential to augment things.

Was it because of your QTC interval or Bradycardia?

QTC can be managed by IV mag sulfate during the flood dose, and once again 12-18h later.

Do you know what mg/kg they dosed you at?

Probably PM me. Lets not talk about Ib*ga on a US based forum. (I’m in a country right now at a clinic learning how to treat addictions with this)
 
Finasteride or Dutasteride totally killed my sex drive. Like no sex drive what so ever.
 
Dht is a driver for sex drive ime, although sex drive is seemingly a complex puzzle. I would agree with others here, HRT by injection with dht blocker would be a good start. Get some bloods to see where everything is at
 
Sex Addiction or a Porn Addiction? Don't have experience with the former, but plenty with the latter. And imho, trying to use compounds to fix this won't work. If it is really impacting your life in a negative way, like getting in the way of work, impacting your family, or relationships, it is time to consider professional help.

Because the only way to completely remove the sex drive is by exitus, that stuff is just so deeply ingrained into our most primal parts of the brain. With therapy you can learn to deal with it in better ways, so it does not impact you anymore.
 
Sex Addiction or a Porn Addiction? Don't have experience with the former, but plenty with the latter. And imho, trying to use compounds to fix this won't work. If it is really impacting your life in a negative way, like getting in the way of work, impacting your family, or relationships, it is time to consider professional help.

Because the only way to completely remove the sex drive is by exitus, that stuff is just so deeply ingrained into our most primal parts of the brain. With therapy you can learn to deal with it in better ways, so it does not impact you anymore.
He is seeing professional help....
 
Scrotal application of test gel/ cream has highest conversion to DHT, greatly increasing sex drive. Take your test by inject and use Proscar to prevent DHT conversion. Sex drive will go way down.
Interestingly, DHT has never been a factor for me. No difference between scrotal cream and inject test and things like proviron or masteron never influenced my sex drive either.

Using outside help such as Sexaholics Anonymous or other forms of treatment may have a low success rate but it seems the treatment plan you have been using on yourself so far has had a zero rate of success. So trying something else would give you an exponentially greater chance of success it would seems.
As I've stated I am seeing multiple professionals already

Onto the addiction phase - is it the chase/hunt, actual act, or the feeling of accomplishment after that you are addicted to? You need an actual behavioral study to understand if it’s a dopaminetic drive or a behavioral trigger. Medicating without truly understanding what the issue is like putting a bandaid on a massive hemmorhage.

Enacting severe lifestyle changes should be the place to start and finding a way to serve something greater than yourself without copious free time.

I wish you the best but it sounds like an alcoholic saying how much weed can I smoke to stop drinking. Just not a good way to solve this problem.
Mine is both behavioral and neurochemical. I did not go into enormous extra detail in my original post but I also have Wilsons Disease which causes copper accumulation in the brain and compulsive sexual behavior is a somewhat common effect in patients. I could go into hours of detail about that and other things but wanted the focus to stay on hormones here since that is what this board is for. While the simple answer is "just get rid of the copper" its obvioulsy much more complex and chelation takes years. So in the meantime, I am thinking outside the box to make life work.

I meditate regularly, do work to focus on creating a purposeful life, and attempt to keep focus on what I want to create rather than what I need to give up. All of what you said is true and I have logged hundreds of hours of meditation, therapy, etc this within the past year to help.

Dude I would not use any hormones if I had a sex addiction and wanted to quit. I wouldn't even bother with hrt. Not until i.could get myself under control. What your doing to me is just adding different kind of fuels to a.fire to see if one might not be flammable
That's obviously a potential approach. However, test is really what drives libido (at least in my experience with maybe the exception of trestolone and dianabol) so I think cutting that out while giving my body some small androgen receptor stimulation to prevent more processes than needed being devoid of normal physiological action, then it will likely lead to more success. Same idea with estrogen replacement. Why cut out multiple necessary hormones when one will likely do the trick.

Sex addiction as in porn? If so I understand your frustration. The access is just so damn easy and just about anything (whatever kink interrest you) is just a few keystrokes away. This age of instant gratification is a double edged sword my friend. I don't know if it's my YouTube algorithm but I keep seeing stories, news reports, research about psychedelics being used in therapeutic settings in hopes of rewiring the brain. Evidently hallucinogens have the ability of altering the brains neuroplasticity helping addicts drop addictions in one "heroic dose treatment" session. You've tried Ibogaine. Have you tried any of the other hallucinogens (DMT, psilocybin) with set, setting and intention in mind?
Porn, sex, masturbation - any and all alike. At some point, yes, I have used LSD, psilocybin, DMT, ayahuasca, etc in addition to ibogaine.

I don't want to sound condescending. But you have an addiction to a biological need. This is different than a drug addiction. This is like a food or water addiction (first one Is far more common) people have to overcome their outlook and relationship with food, stopping hunger doesn't work. You should be talking to a therapist about your views and outlook on sex, if you're dealing with guilt from porn, molestation or kinks ect. Also having a partner with a matching libido and sexual tastes helps. It's an addiction when you're repeating the same behavior in the face of consequence. A therapist can help you far more than trying to reduce a normal biological function.
Well...I don't think so. I have seen therapists, been in groups. As stated previously I am seeing multiple healthcare professionals and so far a week off of test has made a much more significant difference than the hundreds of hours with them.

Perhaps in the absence of any test and at the low doses you are looking at it would not???
That's a good thought you are likely correct. If I feel I need more libido suppression in addition to being off test, I'll keep it in mind
 

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