Trying to put a myth to rest? Some help guys?

[Chris288]

Ok fella's this question is about shutting down the natural Test production. I have heard some people say over the years that it doesnt matter how much test you take.. it all shuts you down the same. So that means that if you take 250mg a week.. or 500mg a week.. or even 1000mg a week at the end of 10 weeks your going to be shut down just as hard on a lower dose? Is this correct? So really there is no reason to take 250, when you can take 500mg as far as shutting u down?

 

[Johnny Smiles]

clean up your pm's bro. -JS

 

[mooch2321]

ever see a guy cruising, taking 100mgs a week try and come off....he is definately suppressed and has major problems....so yes i think at some point their is a dose of testosterone that will suppress your natty production and basically supressed is supressed... i dont see a point in trying to take a low dose to hold off suppression

 

[Chris288]

Hey JS.. PM's are cleaned now! Thanks

I agree with that Mooch.. I have just heard some people say there are different levels of being shut down. Personally I think shut down is shut down!!

 

[EasyEJL]

there are different levels, but in a 10 week cycle there isn't that much difference in 250mg-500mg for the same person (although how much 250mg suppresses one person vs another is still different). Its as you go longer, and start suppressing LH + FSH where its more of a question. And of course, all the other sides have a HUGE difference - estrogen, dht etc going from 250-500.

 

[The Booger]

Lets say you used a shorter cycle around 8 weeks with short acting esters. For the fun of it, Test Prop only 100mg EOD.

Obviously there is going to be some shut down/suppression, but is it enough to worry about ruining your system for years to come? Like having children, HRT, etc?

I always thought the longer the cycle, the higher the dose = the harder and more damaging the shut down/suppression. Sort of why I stayed away from a long cycle my first time and kept it to 8 weeks.

 

[robot]

Ok, let's say you are doing 2 grams of test and 700 mg's of tren a week. Rather than tapering you just stop cold turkey and your blood levels drop to just from 2 grams to just about 0 in 14 days.

Yes I love hormone based depressions. Maybe I should just poke myself in the eye with a stick

 

[LATS]

once suppressed you are shut down.. no matter whether it is 100mgs or 1000 in that regard..

 

[Pekkerwood]

I have experimented with this and I agree with Lats, shut down is shut down, I feel for me, 200mg a week totally shuts down my normal production and I have tests to prove it. What tests? Lets just say I didn't want to have any problems getting re prescribed my HRT so I "prepared". This was b4 I got to know my doctor well (it wasn't necessary to do).

 

[Jrizzle385]

I think everyone is trying to picture things so absolutely as "shutdown" or "not shutdown". You have to remember that there are a whole host of interrelated hormones within the endocrine system that act as a sort of checks and balances system to keep the body within "ideal" or "normal" ranges. Now, you also have to remember that nothing occurs immediately. When dealing with signaling hormones, some act more quickly than others. And even further, you have to remember that you arent eliminating these hormones at all, just skewing the balance between them. It is possible to skew that balance so far that some hormone levels drop to zero (as happens frequently in patients with secondary hypogonadism).

 

[Chris288]

Thats what I thought too... once your shut down your shut down no matter what. Although i also agree there is an array of different hormones in the body that are thrown off. Its kinda like the discussion with Var. Some say it will not completely shut you down, but it does shut you down a little. My opinion is if you need PCT.. ur shut down

 

[shoestring]

But there is the question of why certain drugs are harder to recover from. ie- 500 t/wk vs deca or tren. All will shut you down , but most would say that deca & tren would be harder to recover from.