Vanadyl Sulfate?

[BIG-JD]

anybody ever use this product before, have some at my store that is cheap and was just wondering. probably alot of hype. just curious

 

[Jarconis]

it never lived up to the hype, also think at higher dosages was a little rough on the liver

 

[km2000]

ya, no good...

 

[Strunk]

I used it back in the early 90's when sports pharma made it. Never saw much from it other than my wallet was a little lighter.

 

[GoneForever]

How many of you guys are using this. Dat uses it, so im sold on it. Shit, if dat said sucking penis elevated IGF levels 10fold i'd have to have a little talk with my wife. So anyway, what dose do all you guys use and is there a rule with it, like 10mg for every 10mg carbs,etc...

 

[terryd5150]

Me too...

I used it back in the early 90's when sports pharma made it. Never saw much from it other than my wallet was a little lighter.

Late 90's for me.



Other than that, the exact same experience.

 

[The Striated One]

vanadyl sulfate and HMB, what a combo

I can say I did pee pretty colors when I stacked the 2

 

[terryd5150]

Haha!

vanadyl sulfate and HMB, what a combo

I can say I did pee pretty colors when I stacked the 2

That's exactly what I did! LOL.


Please, no smart-assed comments about the HMB inhibited the VS or vice versa. LOL.



Cybergenics didn't work either!

 

[The Striated One]

Cybergenics didn't work either!

Then how did Franco Santoriello get soo big??

 

[terryd5150]

Then how did Franco Santoriello get soo big??

I dunno?



He must've got the "PRO" edition.

 

[Massive G]

The Vanadyl PH by SportPharma was incredible.
Got at least 5 lbs off it and tremendous pumps and full all day long. Thought they spiked it with D-bol or sumthin as I tried EAS Vanadyl and got Nada and some other generic forms of Vanadyl Sulfate and got nothing...but everytime I did the SportPharma stuff I got incredible gains for a supplement. Iused it back in 1994-1996.

It's not available anymore even though SportPharma is back. I tried some Vanadyl Sulfate 10 mg tablets from Universal Nutrition about a year ago and got nothing.

 

[vadim_b1]

Vanadium containing ions are toxic, in fact the higher the oxidation number, the more toxic the ion is.

Vanadyl ion is in a +4 state which is close to the maximum oxidation number of vanadium which is +5.

Why youre using this "supplement" is beyond me.

 

[madmick]

Complete waste of $$$

 

[vadim_b1]

not only a waste
youre essentially paying money to poison your body with a heavy metal

 

[Ashop]

I used it back in the early 90's when sports pharma made it. Never saw much from it other than my wallet was a little lighter.

I used those myself. that was a heavily marketed supplement.

 

[Nikopapp]

Sprthpharma's rocked back in the late 90's, crazy pumps from that stuff!
I haven't used it since then, though.

 

[DatBtrue]

not only a waste
youre essentially paying money to poison your body with a heavy metal

Now you're just being silly.

Vanadyl sulfate is the least toxic form of vanadium. It has been shown that dosages less than 60mg per day are safe.

You use it dispose of glucose. You take a small amount either with a meal or before a meal and it will work on its own to remove glucose. That means there will be less of an insulin spike and it will be of shorter duration.

Get out your glucose monitor and measure your blood glucose before meals and at various intervals thereafter. From this you can tell how a meal will effect the ensuing insulin elevation.

The goal when you diet is to keep these periods of shorter duration so you can get back to losing fat (can't do that in the presence of insulin).

Does this cheap effective supplement have a huge impact. NO! But it is one subtle tool you can use IF you know how to use it.

 

[GoneForever]

So dat what dose do you use with meals? Like maybe 10-20mg depending on how many carbs.

 

[vadim_b1]

The toxicity of vanadium depends on its physico-chemical state; particularly on its valence state and solubility. Tetravalent VOSO4 has been reported to be more than 5 times as toxic as trivalent V2O3 (Roschin, 1967). Vanadium compounds are poorly absorbed through the gastrointestinal system. Inhalation exposures to vanadium and vanadium compounds result primarily in adverse effects to the respiratory system (Sax, 1984; ATSDR, 1990; Ress et al., 2003; Worle-Knirsch et al., 2007).

Powdered metallic vanadium is a fire hazard, and unless known otherwise, all vanadium compounds should be considered highly toxic. Generally, the higher the oxidation state of vanadium, the more toxic the compound is.

i know its from wiki, so its not 100% reliable but take it as you will
And the problem with vanadium as with most other heavy metals, is that it can accumulate.
So while you may rely on data stating that one single dose of 60 mg was not found to be toxic, we are not talking about a single time ingestion of the compound, but rather long time supplementation. Which means that if it does in fact accumulate, it will build up to toxic levels over time and cause problems id rather not deal with.

So personally ill pass on this "supplement", there are more effective insulin potentiators, such as K-R-ALA for example.

 

[confuzed_guy2000]

How many of you guys are using this. Dat uses it, so im sold on it. Shit, if dat said sucking penis elevated IGF levels 10fold i'd have to have a little talk with my wife.

LOL... That's some funny shit...