Water depletion and relation to diuretics?

[TooPowerful4u]

Few questions here…

I wanna run a 5 weeks out test run on my water load and depletion. Only difference is im not gonna be using diuretics. Will I have the same results whether im using aldactone and aldectaziade, and if I use no diuretics at all?

I am doin a warmup show one week before the show im gunnin for NJ States. Im using diuretics for NJ states (aldactone and aldectiazide) If I do my test run and know what I need to do as far as cuttin water without diuretics, and use it for the show a week before states, will my water rebound effect my cutting water for states one week later? If so, I think il just do my warmup show without any carb or water munipulation, just walk on as is.

 

[weight77]

Read this and it should help you. Also all this talk about Presser is funny because I know he will be at that show competiting with you, at the new jersey.

Bodybuilding 101: Taught by Tom Prince

Let's start with something EVERYONE should know about Lasix, but hardly anyone does. How long does lasix pull water out of your system for? (Hint: It's how the drug got it's name)

Lasix pulls water for SIX hours. Get it? LaSIX. That's important because lots of people take a lasix tab, and don't think they've pissed enough after 3 hours, so they take another tab. Problem is, the first tab will still be working for another 3 hours. So, give the lasix at LEAST 6 hours to really work, before you judge the results and take more.

Potassium: No, you don't take extra potassium. You start a minimum of 8-10 days prior to the day of the contest, and begin taking extra multi-minerals. NOT multi-vit's/multi-mins (because you'd better be already taking those), but extra MULTI-MINERALS, by theselves. Cramping occurs from a mineral IMBALANCE. That can be a lack of ANY mineral, not just potassium. Usually, it's from a lack of sodium, because most bodybuilders cut out their sodium 3-5 days before the show.

Avoid cramping: QUININE SULFATE. If you don't know what this is, you are living in the dark ages of bodybuilding. Every pro you know uses this. Welcome to the 21st century. Quinine will prevent cramping, but you have to take it BEFORE you start cramping. Meaning, if you start your Quinine on Wednesday, taking 2 tabs in the a.m., 2 in the p.m., and do that thru the day of the show, you won't cramp. Even with no sodium for 5 days, and totally dehydrated, I've never cramped when I had Quinine.

ALDACTONE: Aldactone is NOT a true diuretic. The definition of a true diuretic is that it speeds up your kidney's filtration of the blood, thus making you pee more. Aldactone does not do this. Aldactone, is a hormone blocker, that blocks the hormone "aldosterone". That's the hormone that makes you hold water. Taking aldactone, blocks that hormone, so you won't HOLD any water. Problem is, it doesn't work that well if you are already holding water.

The value of aldcatone, is that once you lose the sub-q water that is blurring your conditioning, if you're taking aldactone, that water won't spill back into the sub-q layer. BUT, you do have to get rid of that water first.

This whole thing is a very tricky process for most people, and is the single biggest pitfall that most bodybuilders fall into. 10 years later, I know people that STILL can't get it right.

Edited by ProPrince on Nov. 11 2003,19:18


Also there will be a big difference when using diruetics.

-When you use aldactone you have to drop water first then use the Aldc. Unless you use lasiz and the aldc together. If you do that you should not have to cut water but the last few days.

 

[pacman]

this needs to be done approx. 72 hrs before the show. your pulling all of the water out of the 1st space (vasculature) and it take some time for the sq fluid to reach equilibrium. thats why the guys that take lasix the night before are always flat. there hasent been enough time for a fluid shift to take place
pac
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[weight77]

this needs to be done approx. 72 hrs before the show. your pulling all of the water out of the 1st space (vasculature) and it take some time for the sq fluid to reach equilibrium. thats why the guys that take lasix the night before are always flat. there hasent been enough time for a fluid shift to take place
pac
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Not ture. also when you go flat it is becase you have lost too mcuh water or not carbed up right.

 

[xcelbeyond]

I can't really say much here 'cause I really don't have this figured out for my own body!

I've seen that post by prince before. Here's some things to ponder about it.

I'm sure that lasix injectible vs. tabs has a much different effect - time it takes to effect.

He needs to state that if your taking aldactone - DON'T TAKE ANY potassium!!! Since it's potassium sparing, your asking for heart problems.

His observation of aldactone's action is different than my understanding - not saying it's wrong (more than likely could be correct), but would like to see some feedback here.

My experience from using aldactone is that I seemed to be losing water - if how much you pee is an indicator!! Of course I waas taking this along with a water load and deplete (what do you expect with 3 gal water!).

The quinine sulfate is VERY interesting as I thought I wouldn't be able to compete dur to the severity my cramps were approaching. Any other experiences with this?

xcel

 

[pacman]

diuretic

you need to be as dry as possible before you even take the diuretic. what i'm saying is that it takes about 72 hrs for the fluid shift (osmosis) to become equal. sure if you carb deplete and you don't take in enough carbs you will be flat.....and flatter if you
take a diuretic. Had a friend that just did nationals and he opted not to take in his carbs until thursday, with prejudging on friday night. I knew he would bomb a week before when he told me what he was going to do. not very many of us have this whole precontest thing down. the science behind my method is logical,
and it has worked for many people. the human experiment
pac