What the hell happened to this forum?

[DatBtrue]

There use to be semi-intelligent interaction here. No offense to some of you. The place has become a place to spam adverts.

No real interaction between intelligent minds. Its a shame.

 

[Metal]

The place has become a place to spam adverts.

Obviously these asshole spammers know ProMuscle is a happening board. But its like this anywhere when you have a large community or following of people and members. Someone always seizes the opportunity to make a buck. Cant say I blame them but it is rather lowlife.

 

[Tyrone]

I'm not always the expert in each field and sometimes neglect a forum or two, but please point it out when you see it guys!

Just hit the Explaination Point in the upper right corner of any post you see as spam or is out of line. From there, we'll be more able to take care of it.
Thanks in advance guys!

 

[HOTROCKS]

I'm not always the expert in each field and sometimes neglect a forum or two, but please point it out when you see it guys!

Just hit the Explaination Point in the upper right corner of any post you see as spam or is out of line. From there, we'll be more able to take care of it.
Thanks in advance guys!

Yeah !
I don't see any spammers .

 

[taslajrisi]

OK Dat

There use to be semi-intelligent interaction here. No offense to some of you. The place has become a place to spam adverts.

No real interaction between intelligent minds. Its a shame.

**************************
Now onto enhancing CJC-1295 to blow it into the next universe of effects.

CJC-1295 is the perfect foundation for doing this. Because it lasts 24 hours a day for 8-10 days straight. Whereas GHRH, which does the same signalling of the GHSR, only lasts 7 minutes.

First its important to understand how GH surges work. Pay especial attention to Somatostatin.

When a secretagogue of GH, such as GHRH, Ghrelin, Hexarelin, or CJC-1295, signals the GHSR it causes the pituitary to release HGH, IF, Somatostatin levels are low enough to allow it. Once a surge of GH is released, Somatostatin levels will rise up again, thus even if something is binding to the GHSR, it CANNOT signal the release of GH because Somatostatin levels are too high.

Somatostatin is what controls the negative feedback mechanisms of GH release in the pituitary. After a surge of GH is released from a secretagogue wether natural or man-made, Somatostatin levels will rise, preventing further GH release until the GH levels decrease, at which point the ultra-short feedback mechanisms of the hypothalamus-pituitary-axis (HPA) kick in and cause Somatostatin levels to decrease.

The moment somatostatin levels decrease sufficiently, more GH can be released. However under natural conditions, there wont be sufficient GHRH remaining at the GHSR to cause more GH release once Somatostatin levels decrease. Because GHRH is also released in surges, and only lasts 7 minutes upon its circulating release.

However because CJC-1295 lasts 24 hours a day for 8-10 days, its ALWAYS at the GHSR, so the moment somatostatin levels decrease enough, another surge of GH will happen because CJC-1295 is there binding to the GHSR's. Therefore under naturakl endocrine system, you'd get lets say 5 surges of GH a day. Whereas with CJC-1295, youd get lets say 15 surges of GH a day.

So whats the obvious limiters of GH release?? Well first, is the duration of GHRH or whatever GHS is signaling the release. This has been overcome with CJC-1295.

Whats the second limiter? Somatostatin. Somatostatin is an inhibitor of GH release. Not so easy to fix??? WRONG! This is where I come in.

Amazingly, no one that ive seen has realized this. That is, if you could inhibit Somatostatin levels while using CJC-1295, you would allow the CJC-1295 to signal an ENDLESS surge of GH (so long as the body was producing sufficient peptide, which means you need a high protein diet since peptides are made from amino acids in protein). Yes, thats not a typo, an ENDLESS surge of GH. The equivalent of strapping an IV bag of HGH to your back and walking around all-day with a drip of GH into you. The difference between the "surge" system and that would be night and day. Im not saying its the healthiest or safest thing to do, but it is so far beyond the natural endocrine function it will lead to results never before experienced or even imagined with HGH of any kind or any way previously available. I can vouch for this as ive been experimenting with this recently.

There is a class of compounds called Acetylcholineesterase inhibitors, that inihibit acetylcholineesterase, which is responsible for deactivating acetylcholine in the brain. Guess what? Acetylcholine is a very effective inhibitor of Somatostatin. Therefore Acetylcholineesterase inhibitors are indirect somatostatin inihibitors, working by increasing acetylcholine levels which then inhibit somatostatin levels.

Does this really work? YES, its been clinically proven in numerous studies with stunning results. In the studies they used GHRH + Acetylcholineesterase inhibitor Pyrostigmine at a dosage of 120mg. Remember GHRH only lasts 7 minutes, so they only get a single surge of GH from using it. What the study found is that orally administering Pyrostigmine, an acetylcholineesterase inhibitor, and then injecting GHRH vs. the placebo/control group resulted in a dramatically larger amount of GH released in response to the same dosage of GHRH. This is because somatostatin levels were dramatically lowered, and allowed an even larger amount of GH to be released in response to GHRH.

Had the study used CJC-1295 they wouldve had a far greater result. Not only would more GH be released per surge, but they wouldve had an endless or damn near endless surge of GH release, rather than the normal "Pulsatile" release system which is controlled by:

A) The short duration of GHRH and other endogenous secretagogues (overcome with CJC-1295)

B) The GH-inhibitory action of Somatostatin (overcome with acetylcholineesterase inhibitors)



Acetylcholineesterase inhibitors are taken orally, they are legal and readily available for purchase as they are extracted from natural plant sources. They are CHEAP, costing just a dollar or less per day to use in conjunction with CJC-1295. By taking them you can use a lower CJC-1295 dosage and still get much greater results. It totally changes the pituitary system into what I must call the uber-pituitary.

Normally the pituitary functions like this;
1) Endogenous GH secretagogue such as GHRH or Ghrelin, signals pituitary to release HGH, the amount of GH released is controlled by somatostatin and GHRH quantity.
2) Pituitary releases HGH creating a 'surge', immediately after, somatostatin levels rise thus making the pituitary unresponsive to GHRH or other secretagogues, GHRH remaining becomes deactivated due to proteocyltic cleavage.
3) After the HGH released has become deacticated by the body, Somatostatin levels begin to decrease again, and once more endogenous secretagogues arrive, another surge will occur and repeat process.

The pituitary function using CJC-1295 + a somatostatin inhibitor (in this case acetylcholineesterase inhibitors), functions like this:
1) Exogenously supplied GH secretagogue CJC-1295 signals pituitary to release HGH, the amount of GH released is GREATER than without acetylcholineesterase inhibitor due to suppression of somatostatin.
2) Pituitary releases HGH creating a surge, however, somatostatin levels fail to rise after the release, therefore the pituitary remains responsive to secretagogues to signal more release of HGH, and the CJC-1295 fails to degrade due to its design thus lasting 24 hours a day for 8-10 days from an injection.
3) After the HGH is released, ANOTHER surge is immediatley signalled by the still active CJC-1295, and then another surge, and another, and another, and another, and another, and in the time span that 1 natural surge wouldve happened and another would be ready to go, probably 20x as many surges have already occured.

So for just 50 extra cents a day and the consumption of an oral pill of a legal, readily available compound, you can ABSURDLY modify the pituitary response to CJC-1295 by suppressing Somatostatin. YOUVE BEEN WARNED, this is INSANELY potent, beyond the design of humanity. BE CAREFUL!

Theres 3 common acetylcholineesterase inhibitors, they are;

Pyrostigmine (120mg/ed)
Galantamine (8-16mg/ed)
Huperzine A (50-150mcg/ed)

NOTICE, Huperzine A dosage is in the MICROgrams NOT MILLIgrams. If you took 50mg of Huperzine A you would DIE. I use Huperzine A myself for this. But you can use any of the above, perhaps pyrostigmines better because thats what was proven effective in the clinical studies at that specific dosage. But all three of the above are acetylcholineesterase inhibiors and will thuis have the same inhibitory impact on somatostatin.

This is how, for just an extra 50 cents to a dollar a day, you can turn CJC-1295 into the physiological equivalent of strapping an IV bag of HGH to your back and having a 24 hour drip. As you can imagine this is ABSURDLY POWERFUL and needs great respect and caution when you first begin experimenting. Start with a low CJC-1295 dosage and a low acetylcholineesterase inhibitor dosage, and work from there based on your experiences.

EVERYONE should do this. It gives you FAAAAAAAAAAR more bang for your buck from the CJC-1295, and costs just cents per day to do ontop of CJC-1295 use. Its supported fully by clinical studies, just search for the pyrostigmine/GHRH study.
**************************************

I read this posted on another board. What are your thoughts on this?
I do have some questions but most are answered in your thread which is incredible by the way. I just started to use CJC-1295 no DAC and have noticed the best fat loss I have ever experienced (love it).....42yrs old
Thanks

 

[Northern Rocker]

**************************
Now onto enhancing CJC-1295 to blow it into the next universe of effects.

CJC-1295 is the perfect foundation for doing this. Because it lasts 24 hours a day for 8-10 days straight. Whereas GHRH, which does the same signalling of the GHSR, only lasts 7 minutes.

First its important to understand how GH surges work. Pay especial attention to Somatostatin.

When a secretagogue of GH, such as GHRH, Ghrelin, Hexarelin, or CJC-1295, signals the GHSR it causes the pituitary to release HGH, IF, Somatostatin levels are low enough to allow it. Once a surge of GH is released, Somatostatin levels will rise up again, thus even if something is binding to the GHSR, it CANNOT signal the release of GH because Somatostatin levels are too high.

Somatostatin is what controls the negative feedback mechanisms of GH release in the pituitary. After a surge of GH is released from a secretagogue wether natural or man-made, Somatostatin levels will rise, preventing further GH release until the GH levels decrease, at which point the ultra-short feedback mechanisms of the hypothalamus-pituitary-axis (HPA) kick in and cause Somatostatin levels to decrease.

The moment somatostatin levels decrease sufficiently, more GH can be released. However under natural conditions, there wont be sufficient GHRH remaining at the GHSR to cause more GH release once Somatostatin levels decrease. Because GHRH is also released in surges, and only lasts 7 minutes upon its circulating release.

However because CJC-1295 lasts 24 hours a day for 8-10 days, its ALWAYS at the GHSR, so the moment somatostatin levels decrease enough, another surge of GH will happen because CJC-1295 is there binding to the GHSR's. Therefore under naturakl endocrine system, you'd get lets say 5 surges of GH a day. Whereas with CJC-1295, youd get lets say 15 surges of GH a day.

So whats the obvious limiters of GH release?? Well first, is the duration of GHRH or whatever GHS is signaling the release. This has been overcome with CJC-1295.

Whats the second limiter? Somatostatin. Somatostatin is an inhibitor of GH release. Not so easy to fix??? WRONG! This is where I come in.

Amazingly, no one that ive seen has realized this. That is, if you could inhibit Somatostatin levels while using CJC-1295, you would allow the CJC-1295 to signal an ENDLESS surge of GH (so long as the body was producing sufficient peptide, which means you need a high protein diet since peptides are made from amino acids in protein). Yes, thats not a typo, an ENDLESS surge of GH. The equivalent of strapping an IV bag of HGH to your back and walking around all-day with a drip of GH into you. The difference between the "surge" system and that would be night and day. Im not saying its the healthiest or safest thing to do, but it is so far beyond the natural endocrine function it will lead to results never before experienced or even imagined with HGH of any kind or any way previously available. I can vouch for this as ive been experimenting with this recently.

There is a class of compounds called Acetylcholineesterase inhibitors, that inihibit acetylcholineesterase, which is responsible for deactivating acetylcholine in the brain. Guess what? Acetylcholine is a very effective inhibitor of Somatostatin. Therefore Acetylcholineesterase inhibitors are indirect somatostatin inihibitors, working by increasing acetylcholine levels which then inhibit somatostatin levels.

Does this really work? YES, its been clinically proven in numerous studies with stunning results. In the studies they used GHRH + Acetylcholineesterase inhibitor Pyrostigmine at a dosage of 120mg. Remember GHRH only lasts 7 minutes, so they only get a single surge of GH from using it. What the study found is that orally administering Pyrostigmine, an acetylcholineesterase inhibitor, and then injecting GHRH vs. the placebo/control group resulted in a dramatically larger amount of GH released in response to the same dosage of GHRH. This is because somatostatin levels were dramatically lowered, and allowed an even larger amount of GH to be released in response to GHRH.

Had the study used CJC-1295 they wouldve had a far greater result. Not only would more GH be released per surge, but they wouldve had an endless or damn near endless surge of GH release, rather than the normal "Pulsatile" release system which is controlled by:

A) The short duration of GHRH and other endogenous secretagogues (overcome with CJC-1295)

B) The GH-inhibitory action of Somatostatin (overcome with acetylcholineesterase inhibitors)



Acetylcholineesterase inhibitors are taken orally, they are legal and readily available for purchase as they are extracted from natural plant sources. They are CHEAP, costing just a dollar or less per day to use in conjunction with CJC-1295. By taking them you can use a lower CJC-1295 dosage and still get much greater results. It totally changes the pituitary system into what I must call the uber-pituitary.

Normally the pituitary functions like this;
1) Endogenous GH secretagogue such as GHRH or Ghrelin, signals pituitary to release HGH, the amount of GH released is controlled by somatostatin and GHRH quantity.
2) Pituitary releases HGH creating a 'surge', immediately after, somatostatin levels rise thus making the pituitary unresponsive to GHRH or other secretagogues, GHRH remaining becomes deactivated due to proteocyltic cleavage.
3) After the HGH released has become deacticated by the body, Somatostatin levels begin to decrease again, and once more endogenous secretagogues arrive, another surge will occur and repeat process.

The pituitary function using CJC-1295 + a somatostatin inhibitor (in this case acetylcholineesterase inhibitors), functions like this:
1) Exogenously supplied GH secretagogue CJC-1295 signals pituitary to release HGH, the amount of GH released is GREATER than without acetylcholineesterase inhibitor due to suppression of somatostatin.
2) Pituitary releases HGH creating a surge, however, somatostatin levels fail to rise after the release, therefore the pituitary remains responsive to secretagogues to signal more release of HGH, and the CJC-1295 fails to degrade due to its design thus lasting 24 hours a day for 8-10 days from an injection.
3) After the HGH is released, ANOTHER surge is immediatley signalled by the still active CJC-1295, and then another surge, and another, and another, and another, and another, and in the time span that 1 natural surge wouldve happened and another would be ready to go, probably 20x as many surges have already occured.

So for just 50 extra cents a day and the consumption of an oral pill of a legal, readily available compound, you can ABSURDLY modify the pituitary response to CJC-1295 by suppressing Somatostatin. YOUVE BEEN WARNED, this is INSANELY potent, beyond the design of humanity. BE CAREFUL!

Theres 3 common acetylcholineesterase inhibitors, they are;

Pyrostigmine (120mg/ed)
Galantamine (8-16mg/ed)
Huperzine A (50-150mcg/ed)

NOTICE, Huperzine A dosage is in the MICROgrams NOT MILLIgrams. If you took 50mg of Huperzine A you would DIE. I use Huperzine A myself for this. But you can use any of the above, perhaps pyrostigmines better because thats what was proven effective in the clinical studies at that specific dosage. But all three of the above are acetylcholineesterase inhibiors and will thuis have the same inhibitory impact on somatostatin.

This is how, for just an extra 50 cents to a dollar a day, you can turn CJC-1295 into the physiological equivalent of strapping an IV bag of HGH to your back and having a 24 hour drip. As you can imagine this is ABSURDLY POWERFUL and needs great respect and caution when you first begin experimenting. Start with a low CJC-1295 dosage and a low acetylcholineesterase inhibitor dosage, and work from there based on your experiences.

EVERYONE should do this. It gives you FAAAAAAAAAAR more bang for your buck from the CJC-1295, and costs just cents per day to do ontop of CJC-1295 use. Its supported fully by clinical studies, just search for the pyrostigmine/GHRH study.
**************************************

I read this posted on another board. What are your thoughts on this?
I do have some questions but most are answered in your thread which is incredible by the way. I just started to use CJC-1295 no DAC and have noticed the best fat loss I have ever experienced (love it).....42yrs old
Thanks

does this refer purely to CJC or also mod GRF ?

 

[iron fists]

dat was right in some sense...the interaction is gone...cutting and pasting is not interaction...its just reading material...we need more shared experiences related to research...and more discussion on variations of protocal applications that are realistic and just random protcols that are shots in the dark...this place was the place to be for peptides....but i dnt see anymore people flooding the membership gates to join our group agenda...jus cause this board was the shit doesnt mean it had to stop progressing and leading the way for research peptides.

 

[solarus]

doesnt arginine inhibit somatostatin pretty well?

this kind of proposed GH output would be undesirable for several reasons...potential for pituitary enlargement/cancer, water retention, wrist pain. i would rather have bigger nighttime pulses than this all-day effect. then again, endogenous testosterone release is normally pulsatile, and we all know that a steady supply works just fine (ie injectable depot)....then AGAIN, injecting test is a suppression of the natural system of release, whereas this secretagogue utilizes our natural GH pathways (pituitary secretion)...so i dunno.

i'd like to hear from someone who's used the real CJC-1295 and hear their thoughts.

 

[iron fists]

dats the only one i know of whom has used real certified cjc and he does not recommend it as it provides a lond effect of gh release but as he says....gh stimulation provides its grestest potential for benefits when it its stimulated in the same way as our natural pulsation.

 

[triathloncoach]

Dat's concern

I'm not sure this board is intended for academics. Atleast in my case most of Dat's writing might as well be in Greek (and I don't read Greek)

And I have been exercising and dieting for 30 years. I owned a gym, wrestled in D1 college, have a masters degree and 20 years of experience working in the Pharmaceutical industry.

Perhaps we need another forum added - "Discussing the Science".

There are several members, starting with Dat, who have tremendous knowledge of the science behind all of our "Self Guinea Pig" experiments. But their posts get hidden/diluted behind the ("What's the diff btwn Test E and Test C? Posts) Give the science guys a dedicated area for their discussion. It may raise the tide for all of us.

So it goes.

 

[ojs]

...Perhaps we need another forum added - "Discussing the Science".

There are several members, starting with Dat, who have tremendous knowledge of the science behind all of our "Self Guinea Pig" experiments. But their posts get hidden/diluted behind the ("What's the diff btwn Test E and Test C? Posts) Give the science guys a dedicated area for their discussion. It may raise the tide for all of us.

So it goes.

BUMP!! This is a tremendously good suggestion!!!

 

[DatBtrue]

You either see the worthlessness or you don't. There is no need to explain or point out which post/thread. You either see it or you don't.

There use to be a Sponsors forum where you could post thread after thread screaming whatever deal you wanted. Now it is done in this forum.

There use to be a time when people were skeptical about marketing claims and would not cut and paste from retailer websites statements as fact... or worse use it as authority to challenge objective facts. I guess if you want to say a peptide builds muscle and cite some studies even though it is the "fat loss" portion of the GH amino acid chain incapable of interacting w/ the GH-receptor... you can... and do it with impunity.

triathloncoach I am not crying for myself. I very much enjoy the diversity of topics and subforums and bright minds that inhabit my board. I would never discuss my current experiments w/ iontophoresis to deliver various peptides here... or spend the time allowing people to understand and experiment w/ a PWO protocol to keep you lean and accrue muscle here. It would be lost and unappreciated.

How to use peptides is now in its 3rd generation of knowledge and yet people here are stuck w/ my old 1st generation thoughts or the thoughts of others on other forums which is lacking.

There is so much practical knowledge available from interacting with bright people it is awesome... none of this has to be academic and for you to try to put it in that box tells me more about your laziness then anything else.

To think that it is appropriate taslajrisi to cut and paste some old post made years ago about acetylcholineesterase inhibitors is silly.

You people talk about GHRP-6 and CJC-1295. The reason you do is because that is what I talked about here.

But there are much better "Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides" and derivatives of "growth hormone releasing hormone". Ninety-nine percent of the people here poke and hope and never develop a protocol with which to incorporate more GH, pulsatile GH... they don't even know what it will do and what it won't do.

The point is I don't care about this forum going down hill for myself. I care because this board deserves better. I care because Big A cares. I care because I will always remember Big Bapper talking to me about Preg-MGF. He was excited about Peg-MGF and I never corrected the misspelling... just thought it was part of his character and I enjoyed his curious mind AND what he told me about what was working in his protocol!!!

But when I see people like HOTROCKS say "Yeah ! I don't see any spammers." I think I understand... makes me sad... but I think I understand.

 

[rAJJIN]

The point is I don't care about this forum going down hill for myself. I care because this board deserves better. I care because Big A cares. I care because I will always remember Big Bapper talking to me about Preg-MGF. He was excited about Peg-MGF and I never corrected the misspelling... just thought it was part of his character and I enjoyed his curious mind AND what he told me about what was working in his protocol!!!

Very good Point and Ill see if I can do my part to help clean it up in here.
Same as you I miss our buddy Bapper

 

[myosin]

2nd

You either see the worthlessness or you don't. There is no need to explain or point out which post/thread. You either see it or you don't.

There use to be a Sponsors forum where you could post thread after thread screaming whatever deal you wanted. Now it is done in this forum.

There use to be a time when people were skeptical about marketing claims and would not cut and paste from retailer websites statements as fact... or worse use it as authority to challenge objective facts. I guess if you want to say a peptide builds muscle and cite some studies even though it is the "fat loss" portion of the GH amino acid chain incapable of interacting w/ the GH-receptor... you can... and do it with impunity.

triathloncoach I am not crying for myself. I very much enjoy the diversity of topics and subforums and bright minds that inhabit my board. I would never discuss my current experiments w/ iontophoresis to deliver various peptides here... or spend the time allowing people to understand and experiment w/ a PWO protocol to keep you lean and accrue muscle here. It would be lost and unappreciated.

How to use peptides is now in its 3rd generation of knowledge and yet people here are stuck w/ my old 1st generation thoughts or the thoughts of others on other forums which is lacking.

There is so much practical knowledge available from interacting with bright people it is awesome... none of this has to be academic and for you to try to put it in that box tells me more about your laziness then anything else.

To think that it is appropriate taslajrisi to cut and paste some old post made years ago about acetylcholineesterase inhibitors is silly.

You people talk about GHRP-6 and CJC-1295. The reason you do is because that is what I talked about here.

But there are much better "Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides" and derivatives of "growth hormone releasing hormone". Ninety-nine percent of the people here poke and hope and never develop a protocol with which to incorporate more GH, pulsatile GH... they don't even know what it will do and what it won't do.

The point is I don't care about this forum going down hill for myself. I care because this board deserves better. I care because Big A cares. I care because I will always remember Big Bapper talking to me about Preg-MGF. He was excited about Peg-MGF and I never corrected the misspelling... just thought it was part of his character and I enjoyed his curious mind AND what he told me about what was working in his protocol!!!

But when I see people like HOTROCKS say "Yeah ! I don't see any spammers." I think I understand... makes me sad... but I think I understand.

Thanks for the post Dat. I appreciate your desire for a "clean" and "intelligent" board.

Spammers- other posters, Dat was referring to all the salespeople here pushing their products.

 

[taslajrisi]

OK

I guess I won't cut and paste but I really do want to know peoples thoghts on using an acetylcholineesterase inhibitor along with CJC-1295. Real world experience with it. Improvements? mental or memory improvement, increase results at all? better for older people? etc. I didn't know that post was old but it looked very interesting to me.

 

[skarz]

You either see the worthlessness or you don't. There is no need to explain or point out which post/thread. You either see it or you don't.

There use to be a Sponsors forum where you could post thread after thread screaming whatever deal you wanted. Now it is done in this forum.

There use to be a time when people were skeptical about marketing claims and would not cut and paste from retailer websites statements as fact... or worse use it as authority to challenge objective facts. I guess if you want to say a peptide builds muscle and cite some studies even though it is the "fat loss" portion of the GH amino acid chain incapable of interacting w/ the GH-receptor... you can... and do it with impunity.

triathloncoach I am not crying for myself. I very much enjoy the diversity of topics and subforums and bright minds that inhabit my board. I would never discuss my current experiments w/ iontophoresis to deliver various peptides here... or spend the time allowing people to understand and experiment w/ a PWO protocol to keep you lean and accrue muscle here. It would be lost and unappreciated.

How to use peptides is now in its 3rd generation of knowledge and yet people here are stuck w/ my old 1st generation thoughts or the thoughts of others on other forums which is lacking.

There is so much practical knowledge available from interacting with bright people it is awesome... none of this has to be academic and for you to try to put it in that box tells me more about your laziness then anything else.

To think that it is appropriate taslajrisi to cut and paste some old post made years ago about acetylcholineesterase inhibitors is silly.

You people talk about GHRP-6 and CJC-1295. The reason you do is because that is what I talked about here.

But there are much better "Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides" and derivatives of "growth hormone releasing hormone". Ninety-nine percent of the people here poke and hope and never develop a protocol with which to incorporate more GH, pulsatile GH... they don't even know what it will do and what it won't do.

The point is I don't care about this forum going down hill for myself. I care because this board deserves better. I care because Big A cares. I care because I will always remember Big Bapper talking to me about Preg-MGF. He was excited about Peg-MGF and I never corrected the misspelling... just thought it was part of his character and I enjoyed his curious mind AND what he told me about what was working in his protocol!!!

But when I see people like HOTROCKS say "Yeah ! I don't see any spammers." I think I understand... makes me sad... but I think I understand.

Jesus christ. Are you serious? Get off your high horse. You complain about people cutting and pasting, yet all of your research, is cut n pasted from other studies that were done as far back as 25 years ago.

You complain about people not wanting to do as much research as you, and why is that such a major issue? Not everyone has a medical or chemical background. Some people enjoy the research others do and even though they themselves do not contribute directly, they support it. You are basically saying people are lazy if they go to a museum, because they themselves do not paint canvasses. Its such a silly pompous thought process.

In the post I quoted you basically spit in this forums face. All because it's not how you picture it should be. I think this forum is chock full of good people and good information. Who are you to insult the people who run and frequent this board?

It is obvious a lot of people respect your information gathering and how you put it together. But seriously, get a grip, you didn't discover anything that you have posted. Hell your information isn't even from your own research, it is from other researchers and research papers that you read. Stop giving people a hard time and put your ego in check.

Now you have your own "private" forum to rule over and let your ego run rampant. To discuss your "special" plans and research. LOL. Give us all a break Dat. Grow up.

Thankfully you are mistaken, and this forum is doing just fine. I think the mods are doing a great job, and I think this forum is top notch.

 

[mekanikal]

It is obvious a lot of people respect your information gathering and how you put it together. But seriously, get a grip, you didn't discover anything that you have posted. Hell your information isn't even from your own research, it is from other researchers and research papers that you read.

First off I enjoy having DAT's presence on this forum, second, I have read and personally benefited from a few of his threads where he did offer his own personal experience. My belief is that DAT posts accredited clinical studies to lend credence to his personal opinions. In research an opinion is only an opinion unless it is backed by relevant data collected under controlled conditions. Some of this data might be a little difficult to obtain for legal and financial reasons by a board member. I don't know what authority DAT has in recommending advice, however, he seems willing and able to assist others in advice with no promise of reciprocation...I think that says a lot

 

[Liquid 2009]

Dat is a great guy and a valuable asset to the forum. He definitely brings a lot of knowledge in all aspects. His ideas and thoughts are much appreciated by many. Like Dat said, you either see worth in his threads or you don't. I, personally, do. Very informative.

This isn't a place to bash but to share ideas and come together to learn off each other.

 

[weight78]

Jesus christ. Are you serious? Get off your high horse. You complain about people cutting and pasting, yet all of your research, is cut n pasted from other studies that were done as far back as 25 years ago.

You complain about people not wanting to do as much research as you, and why is that such a major issue? Not everyone has a medical or chemical background. Some people enjoy the research others do and even though they themselves do not contribute directly, they support it. You are basically saying people are lazy if they go to a museum, because they themselves do not paint canvasses. Its such a silly pompous thought process.

In the post I quoted you basically spit in this forums face. All because it's not how you picture it should be. I think this forum is chock full of good people and good information. Who are you to insult the people who run and frequent this board?

It is obvious a lot of people respect your information gathering and how you put it together. But seriously, get a grip, you didn't discover anything that you have posted. Hell your information isn't even from your own research, it is from other researchers and research papers that you read. Stop giving people a hard time and put your ego in check.

Now you have your own "private" forum to rule over and let your ego run rampant. To discuss your "special" plans and research. LOL. Give us all a break Dat. Grow up.

Thankfully you are mistaken, and this forum is doing just fine. I think the mods are doing a great job, and I think this forum is top notch.

I agree here. I have no beef with DAT but this is a good point.

 

[JackBauer]

Grow up.

This is good advice - but I do not think Dat is the one who needs to be heeding it.

I mean really - what is gained by this continued animosity towards him? He has moved on. You continue to be seething in anger.

What is the point?