why do you have to cycle off?

BoomBoom68 · Jun 21, 2009

I am 40 and had a test level of 277 - had to beg and plead to get test replacement from primary physician. He prescribed the patch - hated it and wanted to be put on gel - he sent me to an endocrinologist who put me on the gel - did squat for my fatigue level and sexual interest - i have a budy who got me sust 250 and have been pinning every 4 days 500 mg per week - feel great - no sides really other than some pimples here and there - why would anyone want to come off?? haha i know it is not good to stay on year round, but I am not looking to go back to test levels of 277 - I will end this cycle at the 4 mth mark and start pct - but the question is - when i do come off and go through PCT - will my test levels improve or should they improve? and from doing a PH cycle a year ago and not knowing what i was doing - I have testicular shrinkage - i asked the endo if they would come back and he said no - there is no chance they come back - but I read on here that HCG can get you size back . Long winded sorry

mace123 · Jun 21, 2009

I dont think the doc knows what he is talking about on the whole PH deal.

Your test levels are not going to naturally go back to higher than they were before you started if thats what your asking.

And you could run it year round, plenty of people do. Usually closer to the 250mg a week mark but why not blast n cruise?

BoomBoom68 · Jun 21, 2009

no i was talking about testicular size in that sentence with the endo - he said they will never get back to regular size - is this true? And by blast and cruise you mean if I am doing 500 mg per week now - cut back to 250 per wk - meaning 2 shots at 125 per week? is this ok? or come totally off? what about PCT? do you take your nolva and clomid while "cruising" at 250 per week?

Tom · Jun 21, 2009

my 2 cents on this

first and formost i hate doctors and thier ignorance regarding hrt. i honestly don't think you can go wrong with the following regimen. test injected twice per week at 75-100mgs....hcg on the days following test at 250 iu's and aromasin at 12.5 mg per day. i have not started my hrt yet because i still feel pretty good and my last test was 396. when i start it will be just as outlined above....hope this helps

BoomBoom68 · Jun 21, 2009

Thanks Tom - I appreciate you advice - so I can do this all year when not on cycle? How would that work when I end my current cycle mid August - I will have been on for 4 mths - start "cruising" after I do my PCT? Bear w me because this is my first cycle and new to the aas world. Thanks again

mature muscle · Jun 21, 2009

when your on hrt you stay on 200-250 awk when you blast you up it to what ever you desire for what ever time you decide at your age your test levels well never come back now that you have replaced them synthetically.just stay on and big balls are over rated. who cares.you have decided to go to the dark side now you have to stay there.and by the sounds of it you feel better for it so welcome.and if your staying on pct is not necessary. but you may want to run some anti-e for safety sake.

Tom · Jun 21, 2009

agree

mature muscle said:
when your on hrt you stay on 200-250 awk when you blast you up it to what ever you desire for what ever time you decide at your age your test levels well never come back now that you have replaced them synthetically.just stay on and big balls are over rated. who cares.you have decided to go to the dark side now you have to stay there.and by the sounds of it you feel better for it so welcome.and if your staying on pct is not necessary. but you may want to run some anti-e for safety sake.

maturemuscle is right on with this.....

BoomBoom68 · Jun 21, 2009

cool thanks again guys - big help

gogotren · Jun 22, 2009

the reason not to be on 500mg test year round is the side effects and damage potential. If you wanna be on all the time you MUST get your blood checked quarterly. 500mg test a week will most likely put your liver and cholesterol levels way out of wack... maybe your estrogen levels too. Yes test is naturally occurring in the body but never at those levels.

I have a friend who is 39 y/o, goes to an HRT dr and takes 80mg test a week, i forgot how many iu hgh and his test levels are pegged at 1200 for months, all blood levels come back great.

Macdaddy · Jun 22, 2009

This is very interesting because adult males have an average test range between 241-827 ng/dl. According to others results, 300mg Test E once per week gets you up past 500 ng/dl but 50mg 4x Test E per week gets you up around 575 ng/dl. So according to the 1x per week, even if you bumped it to 500mg test, you would still be within the average adult male range of 241 - 827 (you would be in the upper end of the range, but still in the range).

I guess my question is, how dangerous could 500mg be if you are still in the average adult male blood concentration range? And to look into it even further, how much of an advantage bbing wise would 500mg per week be over a normal adult male in the high range of normal test production?

emeric delczeg · Jun 22, 2009

Macdaddy said:
This is very interesting because adult males have an average test range between 241-827 ng/dl. According to others results, 300mg Test E once per week gets you up past 500 ng/dl but 50mg 4x Test E per week gets you up around 575 ng/dl. So according to the 1x per week, even if you bumped it to 500mg test, you would still be within the average adult male range of 241 - 827 (you would be in the upper end of the range, but still in the range).

I guess my question is, how dangerous could 500mg be if you are still in the average adult male blood concentration range? And to look into it even further, how much of an advantage bbing wise would 500mg per week be over a normal adult male in the high range of normal test production?

500mg per week should take you up to the 1000+ ng/dl.

Steel4u · Jun 22, 2009

I have a friend who was on 500mg's a week of human grade test., and his levels came back from a test done at his doctors office 3,964 nd/dl. He was also on 500mgs of EQ. I don't know if that had any bearing on his test levels or not. I do know that 500mgs a week of good test will have your levels at least triple of normal. 100mgs a week would have you above normal.

Pekkerwood · Jun 22, 2009

A couple of points:

I do believe your test levels can come back at your age after ceasing HRT. I'm 48 and mine come back when I'm off TRT, but they only come back to my "natural levels" of around 300-400.

While Emeric has forgotten more than I will ever know, I will offer my personal experience and the experience of a few of my friends who get regular bloodwork, all of whom are in their fifties: 500 mg Sos a week will make most people explode above 1000 ng/dl test levels. All people are different, but I feel most will top 2000 and 3000 at this level.

Reasons to come off you ask? Its not only about how you feel. What is your blood pressure while on versus off? What does the extra test raise your hematocrit levels to? How are your liver values? What does the test do to your HDL levels? etc. These are all considerations. BTW 100 mg a week puts my above 900 ng/dl normally. I am prescribed 150 per week. I get blood tests every ninety days.

I hope this helps, and please remember, I am talking from personal experience only, and I don't have near the background of Emeric and some of the other vets, so keep this in mind.

Pekkerwood