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Why so complicated?

Dusty Hanshaw

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I just want to throw out a question for the other members here to comment on and ponder for themselves when thinking about their diet, training, supplements, and super supplements: Why are so many of you trying to make bodybuilding brain surgery? I read countless threads titled things such as "how does my cycle look?" or "What is the best supplement" and "Have you ever tried XYZ before and after training for the best results of your life?" This isn't rocket science, if it was I would suck at it. I honestly think that one of the best and most true threads I have ever read was Big A's titled "secret of the pros." I have worked with the best in the business and paid good money to learn all I could from them and at the end of the day bodybuilding comes down to consistency and time. Keep your training and other areas of bodybuilding simple and with as few variables as possible and I guarantee you will be on the way to the physique you have always wanted. Good luck bro's and sisters
 
DH, you beat me to the punch. When I think about it, it's crazy how many times I hear Dusty say this or even catch myself throughout the day. I hear so much overkill. Stick to the basics.
 
Very good post. It's so easy to get caught up in all the little things in hopes that they will be the ticket to the next 6 ounces of muscle.... when truth be told it's consistency in the basics that is the real secret.

Gas it too expensive to be searching for secrets anyways :p
 
I just want to throw out a question for the other members here to comment on and ponder for themselves when thinking about their diet, training, supplements, and super supplements: Why are so many of you trying to make bodybuilding brain surgery? I read countless threads titled things such as "how does my cycle look?" or "What is the best supplement" and "Have you ever tried XYZ before and after training for the best results of your life?" This isn't rocket science, if it was I would suck at it. I honestly think that one of the best and most true threads I have ever read was Big A's titled "secret of the pros." I have worked with the best in the business and paid good money to learn all I could from them and at the end of the day bodybuilding comes down to consistency and time. Keep your training and other areas of bodybuilding simple and with as few variables as possible and I guarantee you will be on the way to the physique you have always wanted. Good luck bro's and sisters
Hey Dusty! Forget all that time and consistency crap! Don't you know it's all genetics?:p :D
 
Massive amounts of turkey burgers and rice...........isn't that right, Dusty?:D I heard we are having an eating contest tomorrow night?
 
I've always kept things simple.
Big believer in basic and consistant lifting, No fancy diets,
and no complicated cycles. This took me from 195lbs to
285+lbs natural. And I am far from genetically gifted
because it took me 24 busting my ass years to do it. I did'nt
sport a cut up pro physique but I was happy with what I got. Only
last year and a half I did one long cycle of test with minimal
results. Sorry for ramblin in short I'm tring to say hard work,
dedication and consistantcy will do wounders.
 
WHAT!!!!

so the fox urine loaded with growth factors taken on the gums is not really workn? Dont joke.... please!

goo
 
If I've learned one thing that will stick with me forever in this sport its the KISS principle, Keep It Simple Stupid! Train hard, eat right, and be consistent with it all and you'll progress!
 
i have been lured into using the next super suppliment so many times to always come back to test.
 
Great post as usual Dusty. I couldn't agree more. I found myself this past offseason trying to make things more complicated than it should and it didn't make a damn bit of difference.

Ive found like ANYTHING in life, it all goes back to the basics.
 
Outstanding post, Dusty, thank yuo!

If I may offer a humble opinion as to why people make things so complicated, I'd say for at least two reasons:
1) Ignorance - which usually means lack of experience or willingness to do some research (muscle boards don't count as research sources)

2) Denial over the fact that most - as in 95%+ - simply do not have the genetics to ever look anything like even National-level competitors, no matter what they do. This leads people on endless searches for the Holy Grail of training and diet, but mostly drugs. All one need do is look at the way drug topics dominate the board to see this.


3) most of them are overtrained cause they keep on doing the routines they have read in Flex :)
 
Because bodybuilders have obsessive compulsive personalities and can never think in the following terms:

a)Dieting down could never be as simple as keeping a semblance of what made that muscle mass (protein wise) in the diet and thinking "green" (replacing carbohydrates at key times with with spinach, asparagus, broccolli) and filling up hunger pangs with leafage/salads......all the while increasing energy expenditure thru cardio and supplements

Nope, Joe Bodybuilder goes to hell in a handbasket and chucks everything that made him that actual muscle mass and starts dieting on a tuna fish and rice cake diet, disengrates, loses gobs of precious muscle mass, falls off the wagon and cheats......and pretty much destroys what he made in the offseason.

b) Training couldnt be as simple as the thought process of "ok what have the most massive bodybuilders of the last 20 years done to develop that muscle mass?" "What was a common theme?" If you remove the Ultra genetically elite from the equation who could grow off of lifting a garbage can and whose genetics are 10x more than the average bodybuilder (Dillett, Wheeler)......Hmmmm it seems the ultra massive were all extremely powerful (Yates, Coleman, Francois, Kovacs, Dennis James, Chris Cormier) and they accomplished that thru the years. We all know they didnt start out inclining 405lbs so they were all progressive in their training.....using heavier and heavier poundages (safely) over the years.....thats it "progression X time"

Nope not for Joe Bodybuilder-----there has got to be a secret. There must be some kind of hidden holy grail training that is going to transfer them into superstar status within 6 months.....they just got to find out what it is. So they jump from training routine to training routine (sometimes monthly) buying into the latest big words a bodybuilder author who has never made it over 172lbs can throw at them from his thesaurus. Supersets, Drop sets, Giant sets, psycho training, Wild Monkey Balls training, East Hungarian Ballistic pre World War II training....there has got to be a secret! Maybe if I train for 8 hours! Maybe if i start out with a regular weight and keep doing 85 drop sets until im lifting with the pink 2.5 lb dumbells before dropping them, that will be the key! Whats Flex magazine say this month, I'll switch from what I was doing from Flex magazine LAST month!

c) Drugs, It couldnt be as simple as everyone else out there who starts out using drugs....the slow journey from 400mg testosterone and 200mg of some anabolic compound a week with small jumps upward when you hit plateaus. How many pro bodybuilders have good buddies they trained with during their development of physique years? Buddies doing the exact same drugs as themselves. Maybe that buddy was even getting the drugs for that pro and knew exactly what he was doing. How come all those friends of pro bodybuilders got dwarfed in a short time period? How come all those friends of pro bodybuilders who were doing the same stuff never got their pro cards, never even won their state show, never even won a small show and maybe werent even in the top 5 biggest guys in that gym? Could it have been bodybuilding genetics, genetic response to drugs and training and not some magical drug stack?

Nope Joe Bodybuilder cant have that. Its not fair for him to think himself as a lesser mortal than others. He cannot deal with the fact that MOM and POP robbed him of incredible genetics that can do a set of halfass barbell curls and grow 1/2 inch. He has to make it right in his head. And he does that by going by the notion that every single pro bodybuilder (or hell anyone who is bigger than him) is "loaded to the gills", and is using magical compounds he doesnt know about. If only he too could get ahold of those magical compounds, then he would reap the glory of massiveness!

****Dante: When as an example I train a gigantic offseason pro a couple years back and he is 335lbs...and he confides in me "Dante I only use 750mg of test a week, and even that makes me break out so I never go over that...I hate breaking out! Went to 1000 once and it was awful so I stay at 750" "I am not loaded with money, things are tight so I use 400mg of deca in the offseason with it, I have never used GH, cant afford it...like I said things are really tight financially"

and then I see guys on these boards with these mega volume stacks of 10 different compounds including IGF, MGF, insulin, GH, and some rare testosterone blend from Portugal (its got to be the secret!).....all the while weighing 208 lbs

you kind of get a different perspective on things.

d) Gaining weight could never be as easy as finding a healthy productive diet that works for you (bodybuilders always fall into modes when eating....if you give them a couple rules to abide by, within a couple weeks they will be eating the same things usually monday thru friday (workdays) and a little bit differently on weekends. But mark it down bodybuilders are creatures of habit and will probably be eating the same things every single day. So to keep it simple to make them gain weight you just add where things need to be added. Two tablespoons of all natural peanut butter here, 1 tablespoon of olive oil there, one more scoop of waxy maize or protein powder there. It really doesnt take much to get a guy gaining again when he plateaus....just a little addition here and there is all it takes especially at key meals.

Nope Joe Bodybuilder wont have that. Whats his thoughts? "I am obsessive compulsive and im chucking my regular offseason diet (which could be made golden with just a few tweaks) and I'll eat 8000-10,000 calories instead!!!!" So Joe bodybuilder instead of using deductive reasoning and using a little scotch tape to fix problems, takes a sledgehammer to it and tries to put it back together with superglue, dirt and spit. Eight months later Joe bodybuilder is obese, gained 5lbs of fat to every 1/2lb of muscle he put on and is miserable. In which he comes out on a message board and blames not only the diet (no he wont say "Im an idiot" he will blame the diet) but also say its because he isnt on the magical stack the pro's are on.....otherwise it would of worked.
 
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Excellent thread, gentlemen.

I've notice two significant changes in my bodybuilding (and my life) since I have simplified:

1. increased progress
2. the experience is much more enjoyable


My first exposure to diet/training/supplementation strategies was through mags like Flex...which lead me to believe that yes, indeed this IS rocket science. It was through reading countless posts by the experienced members of this board and DC's board that it finally hit home what the "secret" is, where the heart of the focus needs to be. I truly think my recovery has improved just by not worrying 24/7 if I'm doing everything perfectly.
 
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Because bodybuilders have obsessive compulsive personalities and can never think in the following terms:

a)Dieting down could never be as simple as keeping a semblance of what made that muscle mass (protein wise) in the diet and thinking "green" (replacing carbohydrates at key times with with spinach, asparagus, broccolli) and filling up hunger pangs with leafage/salads......all the while increasing energy expenditure thru cardio and supplements

Nope, Joe Bodybuilder goes to hell in a handbasket and chucks everything that made him that actual muscle mass and starts dieting on a tuna fish and rice cake diet, disengrates, loses gobs of precious muscle mass, falls off the wagon and cheats......and pretty much destroys what he made in the offseason.

b) Training couldnt be as simple as the thought process of "ok what have the most massive bodybuilders of the last 20 years done to develop that muscle mass?" "What was a common theme?" If you remove the Ultra genetically elite from the equation who could grow off of lifting a garbage can and whose genetics are 10x more than the average bodybuilder (Dillett, Wheeler)......Hmmmm it seems the ultra massive were all extremely powerful (Yates, Coleman, Francois, Kovacs, Dennis James, Chris Cormier) and they accomplished that thru the years. We all know they didnt start out inclining 405lbs so they were all progressive in their training.....using heavier and heavier poundages (safely) over the years.....thats it "progression X time"

Nope not for Joe Bodybuilder-----there has got to be a secret. There must be some kind of hidden holy grail training that is going to transfer them into superstar status within 6 months.....they just got to find out what it is. So they jump from training routine to training routine (sometimes monthly) buying into the latest big words a bodybuilder author who has never made it over 172lbs can throw at them from his thesaurus. Supersets, Drop sets, Giant sets, psycho training, Wild Monkey Balls training, East Hungarian Ballistic pre World War II training....there has got to be a secret! Maybe if I train for 8 hours! Maybe if i start out with a regular weight and keep doing 85 drop sets until im lifting with the pink 2.5 lb dumbells before dropping them, that will be the key! Whats Flex magazine say this month, I'll switch from what I was doing from Flex magazine LAST month!

c) Drugs, It couldnt be as simple as everyone else out there who starts out using drugs....the slow journey from 400mg testosterone and 200mg of some anabolic compound a week with small jumps upward when you hit plateaus. How many pro bodybuilders have good buddies they trained with during their development of physique years? Buddies doing the exact same drugs as themselves. Maybe that buddy was even getting the drugs for that pro and knew exactly what he was doing. How come all those friends of pro bodybuilders got dwarfed in a short time period? How come all those friends of pro bodybuilders who were doing the same stuff never got their pro cards, never even won their state show, never even won a small show and maybe werent even in the top 5 biggest guys in that gym? Could it have been bodybuilding genetics, genetic response to drugs and training and not some magical drug stack?

Nope Joe Bodybuilder cant have that. Its not fair for him to think himself as a lesser mortal than others. He cannot deal with the fact that MOM and POP robbed him of incredible genetics that can do a set of halfass barbell curls and grow 1/2 inch. He has to make it right in his head. And he does that by going by the notion that every single pro bodybuilder (or hell anyone who is bigger than him) is "loaded to the gills", and is using magical compounds he doesnt know about. If only he too could get ahold of those magical compounds, then he would reap the glory of massiveness!

****Dante: When as an example I train a gigantic offseason pro a couple years back and he is 335lbs...and he confides in me "Dante I only use 750mg of test a week, and even that makes me break out so I never go over that...I hate breaking out! Went to 1000 once and it was awful so I stay at 750" "I am not loaded with money, things are tight so I use 400mg of deca in the offseason with it, I have never used GH, cant afford it...like I said things are really tight financially"

and then I see guys on these boards with these mega volume stacks of 10 different compounds including IGF, MGF, insulin, GH, and some rare testosterone blend from Portugal (its got to be the secret!).....all the while weighing 208 lbs

you kind of get a different perspective on things.

d) Gaining weight could never be as easy as finding a healthy productive diet that works for you (bodybuilders always fall into modes when eating....if you give them a couple rules to abide by, within a couple weeks they will be eating the same things usually monday thru friday (workdays) and a little bit differently on weekends. But mark it down bodybuilders are creatures of habit and will probably be eating the same things every single day. So to keep it simple to make them gain weight you just add where things need to be added. Two tablespoons of all natural peanut butter here, 1 tablespoon of olive oil there, one more scoop of waxy maize or protein powder there. It really doesnt take much to get a guy gaining again when he plateaus....just a little addition here and there is all it takes especially at key meals.

Nope Joe Bodybuilder wont have that. Whats his thoughts? "I am obsessive compulsive and im chucking my regular offseason diet (which could be made golden with just a few tweaks) and I'll eat 8000-10,000 calories instead!!!!" So Joe bodybuilder instead of using deductive reasoning and using a little scotch tape to fix problems, takes a sledgehammer to it and tries to put it back together with superglue, dirt and spit. Eight months later Joe bodybuilder is obese, gained 5lbs of fat to every 1/2lb of muscle he put on and is miserable. In which he comes out on a message board and blames not only the diet (no he wont say "Im an idiot" he will blame the diet) but also say its because he isnt on the magical stack the pro's are on.....otherwise it would of worked.

This shuold be a sticky in every forum here! Thanks, Dante!
 
Massive amounts of turkey burgers and rice...........isn't that right, Dusty?:D I heard we are having an eating contest tomorrow night?

Eating contest???? Sorry but you don't want none of this. I am training to challenge Dante during my next trip to Cali. SHHH don't tell his wife. She'll be pissed at me if he grows again:D
 
Because bodybuilders have obsessive compulsive personalities and can never think in the following terms:

a)Dieting down could never be as simple as keeping a semblance of what made that muscle mass (protein wise) in the diet and thinking "green" (replacing carbohydrates at key times with with spinach, asparagus, broccolli) and filling up hunger pangs with leafage/salads......all the while increasing energy expenditure thru cardio and supplements

Nope, Joe Bodybuilder goes to hell in a handbasket and chucks everything that made him that actual muscle mass and starts dieting on a tuna fish and rice cake diet, disengrates, loses gobs of precious muscle mass, falls off the wagon and cheats......and pretty much destroys what he made in the offseason.

b) Training couldnt be as simple as the thought process of "ok what have the most massive bodybuilders of the last 20 years done to develop that muscle mass?" "What was a common theme?" If you remove the Ultra genetically elite from the equation who could grow off of lifting a garbage can and whose genetics are 10x more than the average bodybuilder (Dillett, Wheeler)......Hmmmm it seems the ultra massive were all extremely powerful (Yates, Coleman, Francois, Kovacs, Dennis James, Chris Cormier) and they accomplished that thru the years. We all know they didnt start out inclining 405lbs so they were all progressive in their training.....using heavier and heavier poundages (safely) over the years.....thats it "progression X time"

Nope not for Joe Bodybuilder-----there has got to be a secret. There must be some kind of hidden holy grail training that is going to transfer them into superstar status within 6 months.....they just got to find out what it is. So they jump from training routine to training routine (sometimes monthly) buying into the latest big words a bodybuilder author who has never made it over 172lbs can throw at them from his thesaurus. Supersets, Drop sets, Giant sets, psycho training, Wild Monkey Balls training, East Hungarian Ballistic pre World War II training....there has got to be a secret! Maybe if I train for 8 hours! Maybe if i start out with a regular weight and keep doing 85 drop sets until im lifting with the pink 2.5 lb dumbells before dropping them, that will be the key! Whats Flex magazine say this month, I'll switch from what I was doing from Flex magazine LAST month!

c) Drugs, It couldnt be as simple as everyone else out there who starts out using drugs....the slow journey from 400mg testosterone and 200mg of some anabolic compound a week with small jumps upward when you hit plateaus. How many pro bodybuilders have good buddies they trained with during their development of physique years? Buddies doing the exact same drugs as themselves. Maybe that buddy was even getting the drugs for that pro and knew exactly what he was doing. How come all those friends of pro bodybuilders got dwarfed in a short time period? How come all those friends of pro bodybuilders who were doing the same stuff never got their pro cards, never even won their state show, never even won a small show and maybe werent even in the top 5 biggest guys in that gym? Could it have been bodybuilding genetics, genetic response to drugs and training and not some magical drug stack?

Nope Joe Bodybuilder cant have that. Its not fair for him to think himself as a lesser mortal than others. He cannot deal with the fact that MOM and POP robbed him of incredible genetics that can do a set of halfass barbell curls and grow 1/2 inch. He has to make it right in his head. And he does that by going by the notion that every single pro bodybuilder (or hell anyone who is bigger than him) is "loaded to the gills", and is using magical compounds he doesnt know about. If only he too could get ahold of those magical compounds, then he would reap the glory of massiveness!

****Dante: When as an example I train a gigantic offseason pro a couple years back and he is 335lbs...and he confides in me "Dante I only use 750mg of test a week, and even that makes me break out so I never go over that...I hate breaking out! Went to 1000 once and it was awful so I stay at 750" "I am not loaded with money, things are tight so I use 400mg of deca in the offseason with it, I have never used GH, cant afford it...like I said things are really tight financially"

and then I see guys on these boards with these mega volume stacks of 10 different compounds including IGF, MGF, insulin, GH, and some rare testosterone blend from Portugal (its got to be the secret!).....all the while weighing 208 lbs

you kind of get a different perspective on things.

d) Gaining weight could never be as easy as finding a healthy productive diet that works for you (bodybuilders always fall into modes when eating....if you give them a couple rules to abide by, within a couple weeks they will be eating the same things usually monday thru friday (workdays) and a little bit differently on weekends. But mark it down bodybuilders are creatures of habit and will probably be eating the same things every single day. So to keep it simple to make them gain weight you just add where things need to be added. Two tablespoons of all natural peanut butter here, 1 tablespoon of olive oil there, one more scoop of waxy maize or protein powder there. It really doesnt take much to get a guy gaining again when he plateaus....just a little addition here and there is all it takes especially at key meals.

Nope Joe Bodybuilder wont have that. Whats his thoughts? "I am obsessive compulsive and im chucking my regular offseason diet (which could be made golden with just a few tweaks) and I'll eat 8000-10,000 calories instead!!!!" So Joe bodybuilder instead of using deductive reasoning and using a little scotch tape to fix problems, takes a sledgehammer to it and tries to put it back together with superglue, dirt and spit. Eight months later Joe bodybuilder is obese, gained 5lbs of fat to every 1/2lb of muscle he put on and is miserable. In which he comes out on a message board and blames not only the diet (no he wont say "Im an idiot" he will blame the diet) but also say its because he isnt on the magical stack the pro's are on.....otherwise it would of worked.



TRUTH. LOL!
 
Eating contest???? Sorry but you don't want none of this. I am training to challenge Dante during my next trip to Cali. SHHH don't tell his wife. She'll be pissed at me if he grows again:D


You got enough muscle mass to help 3 bodybuilders, quit being so selfish and pass some out (Ill take 25lbs), you are already having trouble getting thru standard doorways.....its the least you can do for ruining the shocks on the passenger side of my car.
 
Great thread Dusty.

And as to Dante, if they gave out PHD's in bb'ing he'd have a wall full.

Always a great read packed with accurate and brutally true information that comes from decades of experience in the game-we call them facts!
 
wow dante,
that was the best thing i have read on this board. no kidding
 

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