worried about bp

path2greatness · Jan 26, 2008

So cycling supertest and eq for 5 weeks now at 450/wk test and 400 eq with an 800 first week front load. My bp is fluctuating between 135/80's to 153/90 for the highest. When the bp is higher I definitely notice it and feel really shitty. I have dropped the eq and test down to 250 and 200 about a wk ago but not much change. i have been eating very low sodium and taking coq10, hawthorne, red yeast rice, and two 81mg aspirins per day with lots of fish oil and almonds. Still no drop yet. i'm pretty worried about it. My face and whole upper body gets really red when I'm into a lift sometimes almost purple it seems. My insurance situation is shitty right now so dr is a bad idea unless absolutely necessary. I would like to try an ACE inhibitor. I have never seen any available through any sponsers. Any advice on what to do would be great. and if asking for a source on the bp meds is wrong then let me know and disregard it. Thanks

path2greatness · Jan 26, 2008

yeah just forget about the source q on the bp med, I just read another post and that was obviously out of line, sorry. but seriously any advice on how to handle the situation would be good. i dont wanna damage my health.

BigEnough · Jan 26, 2008

Drop the eq and go give blood, up your water intake, add some cardio and an AI.

path2greatness · Jan 26, 2008

i live near a blood bank, something source i think and i was wondering whats the procedure for going into one of those. I hear theres like a last minute sticker you put on the bag to make sure they dont use it. is that right?

W8killa · Jan 26, 2008

First off go to your doctor!!! you shouldnt by BP meds from the net. Try an find a liberal minded doctor. You dont need to tell them of your juice but atleast get blood work. I have a cool doctor that gives me 200mg/week cypionate. I had high BP an got an ACE inhibitor. I take lisinipril at 20mg/day and it worked wonder I am now at 130/75 I was 160/95. It didnt affect my lifts an I feel a ton better. I dont get as red as easily and no headaches. It costs me 5 bucks a month too. I take it at night and it helps me sleep. Just dont take it before your old lady is gonna start sucking lol.

path2greatness · Feb 1, 2008

giving blood

so I'm gonna go give blood and I was wondering if it would be most beneficial to donate platelets only or whole blood(probably a stupid question but I want confirmation) Is it realistic to think that this could have any kind of noticeable impact on my blood pressure?

bpm1 · Feb 1, 2008

path2greatness said:
so I'm gonna go give blood and I was wondering if it would be most beneficial to donate platelets only or whole blood(probably a stupid question but I want confirmation) Is it realistic to think that this could have any kind of noticeable impact on my blood pressure?

donate your whole blood

STEEDA69 · Feb 1, 2008

I can tell you now that "giving" blood won't do anything for your BP but that's up to you and you may have other motives anyway! As far as meds are concerned, you should see a doc and you need not mention anything about AAS use if you don't want to! His job will be to treat your hypertension and that's it! IF going to a doc is out of the question, start off by adding an AI and 40mg's of lasix / day and see if that suffices! If not, you can add in clonodine (catapres) at 10-20 mcgs per day! I encourage those two meds SPECIFICALLY because MUCH of the onset of acute hypertension is due to increased estrogen and water retention! Furthermore, those two meds generally have little to no adverse side effects!

I personally take them both when on AAS and my BP elevates. When I come off, I don't seem to need them anymore as my BP returns to normal!

BTW:- Decreasing the total mgs of test per week won't help much either unless you drop it down to below 200mgs TOTAL per week!

STEEDA~

mikeheavypecs · Feb 1, 2008

W8killa said:
First off go to your doctor!!! you shouldnt by BP meds from the net. Try an find a liberal minded doctor. You dont need to tell them of your juice but atleast get blood work. I have a cool doctor that gives me 200mg/week cypionate. I had high BP an got an ACE inhibitor. I take lisinipril at 20mg/day and it worked wonder I am now at 130/75 I was 160/95. It didnt affect my lifts an I feel a ton better. I dont get as red as easily and no headaches. It costs me 5 bucks a month too. I take it at night and it helps me sleep. Just dont take it before your old lady is gonna start sucking lol.

Go to your doc and get BP meds. I'm on 3 just too keep my BP very "Safe" and I can take all the AAS (and GH) that I need to grow.....I have a cool doc......

Mike

Massive G · Feb 2, 2008

W8killa said:
First off go to your doctor!!! you shouldnt by BP meds from the net. Try an find a liberal minded doctor. You dont need to tell them of your juice but atleast get blood work. I have a cool doctor that gives me 200mg/week cypionate. I had high BP an got an ACE inhibitor. I take lisinipril at 20mg/day and it worked wonder I am now at 130/75 I was 160/95. It didnt affect my lifts an I feel a ton better. I dont get as red as easily and no headaches. It costs me 5 bucks a month too. I take it at night and it helps me sleep. Just dont take it before your old lady is gonna start sucking lol.

I agree go to the doc if need be you can get generic BP meds when he describes them.
you need some proffessional help and medical advice given out on here can be wreckless sometimes and usually isn't allowed.
don't attempt to self medicate BP meds-a lot will depend on your blood work, if you do have thicker blood, you don't want to take a BP med that will reduce plasma volume making it worse-especially a diruetic.
donate a pint of blood it will drop your BP a few points and you probalby need to get red of some red cells. The majority of frequent cyclers I see have thick blood. Go see a doc or at least go to Direct labs .com and order a comprehensive wellness profile for $89 to look at things.
Good luck and keep us updated.

Massive G · Feb 2, 2008

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15059

Ashop · Feb 2, 2008

path2greatness said:
So cycling supertest and eq for 5 weeks now at 450/wk test and 400 eq with an 800 first week front load. My bp is fluctuating between 135/80's to 153/90 for the highest. When the bp is higher I definitely notice it and feel really shitty. I have dropped the eq and test down to 250 and 200 about a wk ago but not much change. i have been eating very low sodium and taking coq10, hawthorne, red yeast rice, and two 81mg aspirins per day with lots of fish oil and almonds. Still no drop yet. i'm pretty worried about it. My face and whole upper body gets really red when I'm into a lift sometimes almost purple it seems. My insurance situation is shitty right now so dr is a bad idea unless absolutely necessary. I would like to try an ACE inhibitor. I have never seen any available through any sponsers. Any advice on what to do would be great. and if asking for a source on the bp meds is wrong then let me know and disregard it. Thanks

using a small amount of AI always helps my BP by reducing water retention.

JohnnyPro · Feb 2, 2008

One word: cardio. My blood pressure was 160 over something high, I don't remember now, but I started doing an hour of cardio every day on the treadmill, and in a week my bp has come way down to within normal. So try that first, and if it doesn't help then get some meds from the doc.

path2greatness · Feb 2, 2008

thanks all!

i really appreciate all the responses, it is reassuring as I have been very paranoid about this lately. I have been feeling light headed at times. I have an appointment to go give blood and I am going to make a doc appt tomorrow. I started adex at .25mg/day a few days ago and it has slowly been improving. Also I am bringing my dose down below 200mg a week and starting cardio. From what I have read it sounds like maybe I should push for an ACE inhibitor when I see the doc, what do y'all think? Does an ACE inhibitor like Altace have anything to do with plasma volume? Also how soon could I realistically expect a script. I mean they will take blood right and then I will go back in about two weeks. I am of course going to tell the doc that I exercise a lot and watch sodium intake along with taking hawthorne coq10 and the other goodies I take. Maybe it's impossible to predict this but I'm just really anxious. Thanks again for the advice.

bcjoji · Feb 3, 2008

This Might Sound Odd To Others....

GARLIC..... Go Natural Bro....

Just 2 weeks ago I got this weird feelin' and my head aches all the time, so naturally I took some pain pills but it didnt work at all... thinkin this might might be something else my curiousity lead me to check my BP coz there's only one reason for it as I have experienced and seen with other people with BP problems and I was right, BP was way way UP.....

Quick Fix:

10 Cloves of Garlic (Smash)
White Vinegar (optional)
Pineapple Juice

Swallow Smashed Garlic Cloves with Pineapple Juice and you're done.... After a few minutes BP down to normal and already feelin' fine and no aches of any sort.....

path2greatness · Feb 4, 2008

I donated blood and actually now that all the water is out my bp has been way down to 120's mid 130's over 70 or 80's so pretty decent. I think I will not go get a bp med and just keep dosages lower and watch water intake sodium and use an ai on a more consistent basis. If I was to use 250-300 test and 250-300 eq what is the least amount of adex I could get away with. Has anyone used it e3d or is eod the best way. I was thinking of .25 mg. I don't want to drive e to low. Again I appreciate everyones time in helping me out. I have really learned a lesson in that its more important to feel good and be healthy and maybe get slower gains especially since I'm not really a competitor. From now on all I'm gonna use is safer drugs like low test and var etc.

asilaydying · Feb 5, 2008

You also have to remember that when you go to a dr.'s office and they check BP, you had to walk in their, may be nervous,etc... so its always gonna raise. True BP reading is when your sitting down relaxed. I went to a recent dr vist and my bp was 156/93 and I sat calmly for 5min and had them retake it and it was 130/68

Max32 · Feb 5, 2008

mikeheavypecs said:
Go to your doc and get BP meds. I'm on 3 just too keep my BP very "Safe" and I can take all the AAS (and GH) that I need to grow.....I have a cool doc......

Mike

Mike, what BP meds do you feel are the ones with the fewest sides? I have read that certain classes of BP meds have far more sides than others. I cannot recall which these were though...the ACE inhibs, Calcium Channel Blockers, etc....???

mikeheavypecs · Feb 5, 2008

Max32 said:
Mike, what BP meds do you feel are the ones with the fewest sides? I have read that certain classes of BP meds have far more sides than others. I cannot recall which these were though...the ACE inhibs, Calcium Channel Blockers, etc....???

Bro, I wish I could answer that but I can't. I'm on what my doc prescribes....Benicar, Labetalol, and Norvasc......

Mike

asilaydying · Feb 6, 2008

Massive G said:
I agree go to the doc if need be you can get generic BP meds when he describes them.
you need some proffessional help and medical advice given out on here can be wreckless sometimes and usually isn't allowed.
don't attempt to self medicate BP meds-a lot will depend on your blood work, if you do have thicker blood, you don't want to take a BP med that will reduce plasma volume making it worse-especially a diruetic.
donate a pint of blood it will drop your BP a few points and you probalby need to get red of some red cells. The majority of frequent cyclers I see have thick blood. Go see a doc or at least go to Direct labs .com and order a comprehensive wellness profile for $89 to look at things.
Good luck and keep us updated.

This is my case. I cant even donate b/c its always too thick. Im making a dr. appt soon to c if he can give me a script to get blood taken. What should I ask for? Double red blood cell?