ya or nay

Smith70592 · Oct 26, 2009

Classic Deca and Dianabol cycle as a good and simple bulking cycle

Dianabol Deca Durabolin
Week 1 300mg
Week 2 300mg
Week 3 300mg
Week 4 20mg/day 300mg
Week 5 20mg/day 300mg
Week 6 20mg/day 300mg
Week 7 20mg/day 300mg
Week 8 20mg/day 300mg
Week 9 20mg/day 300mg
Week 10 20mg/day 300mg
Week 11
Week 12
Week 13 aromasin 10mg & clomid 50mg
Week 14 aromasin 10mg & clomid 50mg
Week 15 aromasin 10mg & clomid 50mg

juicy j · Oct 26, 2009

I wonder why I see so many people wanting to use an AI during pct...I would not do that. I believe you need the estrogen floating around during pct...the increased estrogen and low t levels makes the body want to reach homeostasis by producing more test. Drop aromasin and add nolva imo.

Anyway, I would also suggest testosterone in this cycle. You may get sexual dysfunction without test because of the deca. Starting the d bol at week 4 not a bad idea...a lot of people I know like to do that because they want to take the d bol as their injectibles are kicking in.

Smith70592 · Oct 26, 2009

juicy j said:
I wonder why I see so many people wanting to use an AI during pct...I would not do that. I believe you need the estrogen floating around during pct...the increased estrogen and low t levels makes the body want to reach homeostasis by producing more test. Drop aromasin and add nolva imo.

Anyway, I would also suggest testosterone in this cycle. You may get sexual dysfunction without test because of the deca. Starting the d bol at week 4 not a bad idea...a lot of people I know like to do that because they want to take the d bol as their injectibles are kicking in.

appreciate the advice on the PCT

That was my thinking on adding the dbol mid cycle when the DECA is kicking in.

PsyT · Oct 26, 2009

juicy j said:
I wonder why I see so many people wanting to use an AI during pct...I would not do that. I believe you need the estrogen floating around during pct...the increased estrogen and low t levels makes the body want to reach homeostasis by producing more test. Drop aromasin and add nolva imo.

Anyway, I would also suggest testosterone in this cycle. You may get sexual dysfunction without test because of the deca. Starting the d bol at week 4 not a bad idea...a lot of people I know like to do that because they want to take the d bol as their injectibles are kicking in.

clomid does the same thing as your natural estrogen by providing a trigger to the body to increase LH which would thus increase Test levels (indirectly increasing estrogen levels too but this is kept in balance by your body adjusting LH levels untilyou normalize).

I dont like your cycle...have you done it before though? You seem to have done it before calling it 'classic'. I like testosterone personally. I'd rather run 600-700mg test than mess with those other two compounds.

mopchopper · Oct 26, 2009

NAY...definitely up the dbol dosage to at the very least 30mg/day...it is ur only source of test...also unless you are taking 5mg tabs split up 3 or 4 times a day, you are gonna have alot of fluctuation in hormone levels...dbol has a half life of 4-6 hrs it should be taken atleast 3 times a day to keep stable, not sure if you were doing that already as i mentioned earlier....and like someone said either take the aromasin while on the dbol, not during PCT or drop it all together and u may want some cabergoline or something to combat prolactin issues with the deca

juicy j · Oct 26, 2009

I think the most important thing to take away from thie is what psyt and I have said....testosterone is king, I think you should use it especially if you plan on running deca.

I think that smith called it a "classic" cycle because back in Arnolds day, a lot of guys thought that test was "dirty" drug with a lot of side effects. Many of these guys ran deca, primo and d bol without test but I do not agree with that!

PsyT · Oct 26, 2009

well I dont know how it was back in the day but these days we have AIs and 5alpha-reductase inhibitors so we can control estrogen and DHT from becoming too high. This makes testosterone at reasonable doses free of the more troubling side effects.

juicy j · Oct 26, 2009

I agree, I was just making a statement. BUT, even when implementing an AI you will add other side effects, dry joints, tendons, ligaments, negative shift in lipids, etc. You may be free of the side effects of high estrogen brought about by the high test levels but you are now adding another compound that will negatively impact the body. Most people do not know what the correct dosage is for an AI....most people overshoot the mark and that causes other issues that I listed above. Bottom line is we are all walking science experiments taking all these compounds...I will take the less is more approach any day.

mopchopper · Oct 26, 2009

i agree with the both of you...i personally wont run a cycle without an injectable test base ...but as far as i know dbol is derived from test to help him with labido issues

juicy j · Oct 26, 2009

I will be honest with you, I never run deca or tren for so many reasons if you would like to hear why I will tell you. But a lot of my friends run it at a 2:1 ratio test:deca to prevent sexual sides. Also, I am not sure if you have run deca before or if you know weather you are sensitive to progesterone sides...might want to look into prami or caber.

Smith70592 · Oct 26, 2009

Thanks for feedback guys
I will add some test with it

juicy j · Oct 26, 2009

Smith70592 said:
Thanks for feedback guys
I will add some test with it

If you add test to that cycle, you are gonna have one hell of a bulker bro. One last suggestion, if you can start the d bol at say week 6 and run it until you start pct...it will keep you strong while the esters are clearing that 2 weeks before pct. I always run orals the first 4 weeks and the last 4 weeks.