Kidney/Heart Damage: There is hope!!! A recovery story...

[maldorf]

I too had an ejection fraction one time of about 35% and had been using a lot of steroids. I got off for one year and it recovered back to about 55-60% which is about normal. It can and will happen if you get off all the shit.

My problem though was I got back on a few months after my good checkup and then had my heart attack years later. Now my ef is about 20-25% and I have a defibrillator that is keeping me alive.

What is your plan now as far as using steroids, do you plan on staying natural? I hope you don't do what I did. Congrats on getting your health back again. I was 38 years old when I had my big heart attack. I am 47 now.

 

[Phattony]

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[Phattony]

I too had an ejection fraction one time of about 35% and had been using a lot of steroids. I got off for one year and it recovered back to about 55-60% which is about normal. It can and will happen if you get off all the shit.

My problem though was I got back on a few months after my good checkup and then had my heart attack years later. Now my ef is about 20-25% and I have a defibrillator that is keeping me alive.

What is your plan now as far as using steroids, do you plan on staying natural? I hope you don't do what I did. Congrats on getting your health back again. I was 38 years old when I had my big heart attack. I am 47 now.

My plan is to play it safe. First I want to get on Trt. Obviously long term 1+ grams is way out of the question but honestly I never needed anywhere near that to put on way above average muscle mass. If I were to do a cycle it would be 2-3months max with something like 400mg test, 200mg mast, and something like primo, bold, or deca... no more tren or harsh stuff for this guy. That's only if I improve to a even greater degree. I also have to be cognizant of injection volume, reactivity, and cleanliness of anything I inject because my auto immune issue may flair from foreign substances. Not sure yet. That's why I'm holding off on trt... it's nothing to play around with and I won't take it lightly if I do decide to elevate my hormone levels past a natural level. Now I at least have a team of doctors that can truly monitor my health status. I have a cardiologist, a nephrologist, a rheumatologist, a urologist, a gastroenterologist, and a primary!!! My Nephrologist is the best frighten doctor I have ever had. He just switched me from lisinopril to telmisartan by just asking him! It was so nice to not have to fight with him to get what I want... that's how it is with my dictator cardiologist even though I prove her wrong over and over again. Everything is a struggle and a argument. Her last name is literally khan.., and I swear that she is the god damned descendant of Genghis!!!

 

[upeccmi]

I have kidney issues, I go to a Kidney specialist regularly, 31 years of AAS use and high BP caused my kidney issues. I was wondering why you think your kidneys are better-or getting much better? I do not see any GFRs in your numbers, I do see your Creatinine has gone down but I see your leaking protein at 3+ and that has been constant (I am, at 2+)

 

[pesty4077]

My plan is to play it safe. First I want to get on Trt. Obviously long term 1+ grams is way out of the question but honestly I never needed anywhere near that to put on way above average muscle mass. If I were to do a cycle it would be 2-3months max with something like 400mg test, 200mg mast, and something like primo, bold, or deca... no more tren or harsh stuff for this guy. That's only if I improve to a even greater degree.

You are crazy. You are near dead thinking about taking gear again? God gave you a second chance, use it wisely. Forget about gear and being big anymore. Concentrate on just being alive and healthy. This is why I always say Steroids are really addicting. If your Test levels are normal, keep them there, you don't need anything. Thankfully you are alive, count your blessings and make life enjoyable again wthout drugs.

 

[KillerStack]

Thanks for posting your story.

Just curious about about one thing. I was reading about corticosteroids and one paper said people who use high doses often go psychotic and need drug treatment to control the hallucinations etc. Did you experience any of that?

 

[Elvia1023]

Now I absolutely do not want this to be a doom n gloom thread... just a realistic one. I want people to take heed. I want guys to be smart. I want my brothers to avoid similar medical issues. But most of all I want them to know that there is a path back to some measure of normalcy if you recognize your issues and then take decisive steps to treat them.

The medical community say kidneys don't heal... They say once you have congestive heart failure you alwYs will... I am living proof that these are both exaggerations and I intend to do my damnedest to prove them(the medical community) straight up wrong... or I will die trying. I will chase this with the same focused passion as I did my dream of being 320lbs contest shape. I will spend every extra dime I have on this... I will shun relationships and prioritize time toward my goals. And if it doesn't work I will keep trying. It's the only way I know.., and frankly it's the way I prefer to live. Tunnel vision, a goal, and hard work. Positive outlook and beat the odds mentality. I like being up against the wall. Cus I wanna prove em wrong.., and I believe I will.

There is a lot I could write. Firstly, I respect your passion. I understand everyone is different so different things make different people happy. A positive outlook should be the only outlook in this life. I want to state though shunning relationships and spending a lifetime trying to prove other people wrong is a waste of the gift you have been given imo.

 

[Phattony]

I have kidney issues, I go to a Kidney specialist regularly, 31 years of AAS use and high BP caused my kidney issues. I was wondering why you think your kidneys are better-or getting much better? I do not see any GFRs in your numbers, I do see your Creatinine has gone down but I see your leaking protein at 3+ and that has been constant (I am, at 2+)

My most recent tests leaking protein is down to 2+

Also my my total protein to creatinine ratio dropped from 4.710 to 0.5

Serum Creatinine has dropped from 1.20 to 0.97

There are multiple other mesurments that show improvement.

From what I understand GFR is only a estimation of kidney function based off of mainly age, size, ethnicity, and serum creatinine... in the hospital I was told my GFR was 59...

According to a estimator I am in the 90's using my latest measurements.

 

[Phattony]

You are crazy. You are near dead thinking about taking gear again? God gave you a second chance, use it wisely. Forget about gear and being big anymore. Concentrate on just being alive and healthy. This is why I always say Steroids are really addicting. If your Test levels are normal, keep them there, you don't need anything. Thankfully you are alive, count your blessings and make life enjoyable again wthout drugs.

I am crazy... but I did state if I was to. My levels are well below healthy. I can't remember the actual number but I am definitly where I could get a script. I have no plans to use anything but trt. But I wont even do that until my BP is under control.

 

[Phattony]

Thanks for posting your story.

Just curious about about one thing. I was reading about corticosteroids and one paper said people who use high doses often go psychotic and need drug treatment to control the hallucinations etc. Did you experience any of that?

Nope... I was just mean as fuck!

 

[Phattony]

There is a lot I could write. Firstly, I respect your passion. I understand everyone is different so different things make different people happy. A positive outlook should be the only outlook in this life. I want to state though shunning relationships and spending a lifetime trying to prove other people wrong is a waste of the gift you have been given imo.

I see your point but in my experience relationships have only been negitive to my life on multiple levels. It doesn't even bother me anymore... if I ever met someone that changed that viewpoint I would gladly embrace that relationship. I have friends and that's all I need. I have many issues and I have accepted that I'm not a relationship person. It would take a special person to change that.

 

[Phattony]

Tomorrow I will get to outlining my treatment plan. What I used and how I used it. What I plan to add and thing that I have not used that I have found may be useful...

 

[Phattony]

I have kidney issues, I go to a Kidney specialist regularly, 31 years of AAS use and high BP caused my kidney issues. I was wondering why you think your kidneys are better-or getting much better? I do not see any GFRs in your numbers, I do see your Creatinine has gone down but I see your leaking protein at 3+ and that has been constant (I am, at 2+)

Also my nephrologist does not believe in the GFR system as the end all be all of kidney function. His words it is only a "rough estimation" and is easily screwed specially in men my size. He goes directly off of my test results. We have only discussed GFR once... he was so excited over my last tests he was scribbling all over it with notations. It was pretty cool. He never expected me to bounce back like this.

 

[nattydread]

Brother I wish and pray for the best in recovery. Keep doing what your doing and get better. God bless

 

[sazo75]

What do you do for a living, and were you on other meds or things BESIDES aas that lead to this ?

 

[Phattony]

I'm here being completely honest with you guys... call me crazy but I totally love the bodybuilding life style and believe in our right to live how we want to... I do however want to encourage you all to be smart. The way we train, eat, take drugs, and overcome pain everyday makes it easy to miss these health issues and their symptoms. We literally force our bodies to look healthy and hide the deeper heath issues behind muscles. Nobody including doctors looks at us and thinks this person is sick...

I told my doctors repeatedly that something was wrong with me. All my bloods came back weird but not horrible. My EKG's all came back normal. My blood pressure was normal when I was off the PED's. So my fucking doctors told me there was nothing wrong with me for over a year and kept sending me home with some kind of drugs to cover up one symptom or another. Then it all came to a head and I almost died! They were forced to believe me when I was in ICU pissing blood.

To all you guys asking if I think it was the steroids that caused this...

Wholly?
No!
Was it a huge contributing factor?
Yes!
I have went into detail on a few threads on this. I abused steroids off and on for 15 years and I was not smart about it. I will never tell guys not to use even large doses but I at least will counsel them to be smart about it.

For everyone wondering what my general weight and height were I am 6'2 3/4 tall, and approximately between 305lbs 13%bf, 325 15%bf, 365 20%bf, 390 24%bf. I have been up to 425 at one point but I do not know what my percentage was. Lowest adult weight was 292lbs but I had no bf testing done. I would imagine it was 10%ish. I was very lean except for extra skin from when I was 405 for a year. Mind you I was 6'2 and 300lbs in 8th grade. I had 20inch arms in highschool. I have never been small... I naturally had a strength athletes build.

My blood pressure ran 120-130 over 70-80 off cycle. On cycle with no meds it ran 160-170/100-110. With meds 140-150/90-100. From 21-27 I went without regular checks. Since then I have been regularly checking BP and using meds when necessary.

My cholesterol was back and forth as would be expected. Normal range off cycle. High on cycle. Hdl plummeted on orals... I did hold water much of the time because used a lot of estrogenic gear and didn't use any inhibitors... I was almost always running a minamum of 1g test a/week. Maxed at 3G a/week test. Along with 1-2g of other stuff. Went up to 2g of tren once. That was a mistake...

Obviously other factors were involved. But my bloods came back pretty good for years. Even when on cycle. Never once were my doctors concerned even when I insisted somthing was wrong. By the time the doctors realized I was right I was off the gear and my blood pressure was 120/70 naturally at 345lbs... I had three EKG's in a year. All came back fine. It literally took me coughing up blood and pissing blood for them to take me seriously...

I developed a auto immune disease that caused massive systematic vascular inflammation (vasculitis) and killed the veins in my kidneys and stressed my heart so badly for so long that it caused congestive heart failure. This is the a simple version of the story...

I believe that the volumes of oil and other things i injected into my body also played a part in the development of the auto immune disease. I suffer from IGA Nephropathy which is the same thing that damages many diabetics kidneys but I do not have even close to diabetes.

Another thing I feel could have been a major factor was that I was exposed to black mold for a year or so in my home without realizing it. This cause months of illness until I realized it and had all the floors and Sheetrock ripped out and rebuilt.

None the less I am not the only guy suffering from similar afflictions and the one thing we generally have in common is heavy gear use and it's corresponding sides...

 

[Phattony]

What do you do for a living, and were you on other meds or things BESIDES aas that lead to this ?

Retail management... no other drugs besides various bodybuilding drugs and supplements like ephedra and clen when cutting. Various pre workouts also. I believe stimulants are as big of a problem as hormones in the bodybuilding lifestyle. A lot of cracked out adrenal fatigued motha effers out there living off of energy drinks and crack pills. You all know it's true...

 

[M@NU]

Hey Phattony,
thanks for sharing your story. Makes me feel a whole lot better about my situation, although it is by far not as bad as yours.. (the thread where you also posted to help me).
If i were you, i would not blast anymore but try to get on a good TRT dosage (upper reference range). You will probably not keep all your muscles but you can still look pretty damn good with 250 e14d or 100 e7d or something like that.
My problem was a born issue with my heart that i did not know or ignore (my mother said i had something but they couldnt get it). This + stupid stimulant use (daily DMAA or AMP or DMHA over a period of 1 year + 6 weeks of high dosage of clen) finally made my EF drop to 45-47% (half a year before it was 54-55%).
I wish you good luck and hope that you stay healthy. Dont overdo it with drugs/stimulants. You can get so far with TRT and discipline, its not worth dying for..

 

[Phattony]

Hey Phattony,
thanks for sharing your story. Makes me feel a whole lot better about my situation, although it is by far not as bad as yours.. (the thread where you also posted to help me).
If i were you, i would not blast anymore but try to get on a good TRT dosage (upper reference range). You will probably not keep all your muscles but you can still look pretty damn good with 250 e14d or 100 e7d or something like that.
My problem was a born issue with my heart that i did not know or ignore (my mother said i had something but they couldnt get it). This + stupid stimulant use (daily DMAA or AMP or DMHA over a period of 1 year + 6 weeks of high dosage of clen) finally made my EF drop to 45-47% (half a year before it was 54-55%).
I wish you good luck and hope that you stay healthy. Dont overdo it with drugs/stimulants. You can get so far with TRT and discipline, its not worth dying for..

Don't worry my man. I was being theoretical above and I did not word it well. But trust me I have no intention of blasting anything. You take care too buddy. Don't give up on improving your own health...

 

[supertesty]

thanks a lot for sharing that with us matey.
What would be your recommendation so ?

Your story scared me a lil bit, I admit. Atm, im 240lbs, I only use primo and test and sometimes DHB. injectable oral here and there in small doses + gh in small doses. Do you think there are risks ?

What do you think, in your AAS use, have increased the risks of your previous issues? Did you run tren often and in heavy doses ? What when say "d'ont do the mistaked I did" what do you talking about ?

thanks a lot mate. And best thoughts to you