Well went to the ortho today. Had xrays today and go back next week for an mri. Told me I had one of the worst cases of arthritis he had seen in my left shoulder. The pain has been bad but not what I expected. Its funny that I can press with it and it doesn't hurt doing any movements but hurts really bad all other times. I'm pretty much on all natural supps that I could think of being on for arthritis. Tumeric, msm, glucosamine etc. I am using ice and heat and using an estim daily. I haven't used any NSAIDS yet. But the pain is so bad I may have to try some low doses. Any other recommendations? I will know more after my mri next week. Also does anyone belive NSAIDS will limit gains? I know the deal with the protein synthesis. But wasn't sure if that effected "enhanced" athletes?? Thanks