1 shot or 2 with HRT?

[GoneForever]

On 200mg hrt. Custom blend of 50% test enanthate and %50 test undeconate which is very long acting. With that, should I still split the shots into 2 per week for more stable blood levels or will 1 be fine? Will it make a diff? Thanks

 

[Dad]

200 mg a week is NOT, HRT.

At 200 mg a week, yuor total test levels are likely to hover above 1200.

Hormone replacement therapy is physiologic dosing calculated to bring yuo into, but not above, the normal range. Virtually all U.S. docs (other than those dealing with people who have AIDS or ar HIV positive) will start HRT patients at 100 mg, check blood levels in 4-8 weeks and adjust, rarely going higher.

So to answer yuor question, two shots a week will be a more stable blood level, but the difference between once a week and twice hardly matters. Just realize yuo're on a low-dose cycle, NOT HRT.

 

[LATS]

well said.. many of us will run 200-250 a week of test as "hrt".. it is far from it.. 100 mgs (give or take abit) is most hrt dosages.. dad hit it on th head when he said 1200 or above with 200mgs.. when i had mine check a few years ago i was on 250 per week.. my test came back about 1350..

 

[GoneForever]

So if you only do 1shot v.s. 2 you wont feel any diff or anything. Just an extra poke.

 

[knight1811]

200 mg a week is NOT, HRT.

At 200 mg a week, yuor total test levels are likely to hover above 1200.

Hormone replacement therapy is physiologic dosing calculated to bring yuo into, but not above, the normal range. Virtually all U.S. docs (other than those dealing with people who have AIDS or ar HIV positive) will start HRT patients at 100 mg, check blood levels in 4-8 weeks and adjust, rarely going higher.

So to answer yuor question, two shots a week will be a more stable blood level, but the difference between once a week and twice hardly matters. Just realize yuo're on a low-dose cycle, NOT HRT.

I think it varies greatly from person to person. HRT experience for me, 200 mgs enanthate will bring me into high 700 to mid 800s range. I have blood work done too many times to count so I'm speaking from MY experience. The "one size fits all" approach does not work with HRT. For you, 200mgs might/will take you over 1200, but DEFINITELY NOT for me. You must have some DAMN good receptors. I will add, though, the doc doesn't want me over 200mgs....for what that's worth.

Additionally, the esters are very important. I'm sure you know the the longer esters have less actual testosterone...especially undeconate. I recall something like 30+mg of that 100 mg shot is the ester. In enanthate...its like 28mgs of ester in enanathate. So, 200 mgs is only 72mgX2=144mgs of test for enanthate!

In the blend the poster speaks about, he has a 200mg blend. 100 of enanthate...so 72mg of test and the other 100 mgs is the undeconate ester...so 65mgs(taking the middle road since not sure exact number). Anyways, that's an approximate total of 137mgs of test. Still higher than what the AVERAGE person produces on a weekly basis but I swear something is lost in the administration/uptake of exogenous test with the human body. Not sure if it is under-dosing my compounding pharmacy or not drawing enough with syringe, or what.

From my personal experience, 200mgs is not "out of bounds" for HRT.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[knight1811]

well said.. many of us will run 200-250 a week of test as "hrt".. it is far from it.. 100 mgs (give or take abit) is most hrt dosages.. dad hit it on th head when he said 1200 or above with 200mgs.. when i had mine check a few years ago i was on 250 per week.. my test came back about 1350..

Which ester were you administering? Enanthate, cypionate, or propionate? It makes a difference.

Also if you do the math, and the addage "test is test" then look at the math....basic, I know...but indulge me. 1350 for 250 mgs of unknown test ester.

The question is: how much does 1 mg of test raise your total test?
To find out ,take total test in blood of 1350 and divide by 250 mgs of administered exogenous test. so 1350/250=5.4. Therefore for you there is a raise in total test by 5.4 for every mg of unknown test. 5.4X250mgs=1350.

When one does the math at 100mgs then your calculated total test would be 540!!! And your total test for administering 200mgs of test would be 1080. That is WELL WITHIN THE REFERENCE RANGE FOR 18-39 year old males!
Here is site to validate my claim (a quick search on the web):

**broken link removed**

Again, 200mgs is NOT "out of bounds for HRT."

 

[LATS]

NO KNIGHT.. YOU ARE RIGHT.. i was not trying to refer to you as being wrong .. just that most doc will only raise the level to their "comfort level".. meaning if you get to 500 at 100 mgs of test cyp then they have a tendency to stay there.. it is pretty rare for a doc to go over 100mgs a week.. so again.. it is not out of bounds at 200 mgs.. but, it is for most doctors.. by the way.. mine was test enth..

 

[knight1811]

So if you only do 1shot v.s. 2 you wont feel any diff or anything. Just an extra poke.

I personally tried both methods. Once a week and twice a week for my 200mgs of test enanthate. I personally didn't notice jack and shiat from the 2X a week schedule. I switch back to 1 "poke" schedule. Life is easier. I've been reading about the undeconate ester....am very interested since I only have to "poke" once every 2-4 weeks. That would be GREAT. People think HRT is fun or somehow a positive. Like hell it is. It sucks. SUCKS BIG. But, if this is what one must do to maintain status quo, then so be it.

Also, the key to HRT is bloodwork. Have your bloodwork done to check where you stand. That is the all important part of HRT. Without bloodwork...its a shot in the dark. Test levels are the last of your concerns...it is your PSA, AST, ALT, RBC count, etc.

Your doctor will guide you...or should guide you. If not, screw him/her and find one that is understanding of your HRT needs. There is a WEALTH of info on the net for HRT inflicted folks.

 

[BigJohn]

i don't find HRT to be that big of a deal. Try getting diabetes if you think HRT is an issue. I guarantee HRT would be the least of your worries.

as for the injections, the trick is to find a site that is rather painless. I use my quads and have found a site on each leg that is relatively pain free. i only feel something if I try to hurry and inject too quickly. I also use a 1", #25 for this.

It's fortunate HRT only requires once a week or less injections, I inject insulin four to five times a day. The pin is much shorter but it's still an injection, and the stuff burns like fire sometimes.

 

[GoneForever]

Thanks knight. I totally forgot about the esters making less test. Looks like i'll be on 250mg now

 

[dragonfire101]

200mg a week only brings my levels up to 480 on my last lab test.

 

[phatkid77]

good call knight...when i get a minute i shall figure out what i need...

my last blood draw came back at 518ng on 100mg deletestryl...(started 365ng)...was hoping for 8-900... if i get on HCG 250iu 2x week....that should get me there....

good job on the math..

phats