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3rd celluitis in 1 year--HELP!! Heavy Squat
In the last year I have had 3 celluitis infections in my left quad. Not counting a t-400 (never use again straight) Alcohol damage). 3 infections, same spot, different gear. Omna, primoteston, sten. (Yes I know why sten, well it was free). Anyone know why this might occur, never get infections in bicep, tri, glut, other leg etc. Continued to use same gear no probs.
I swab with alcohol, real wet. then swab again, air dry and shoot. Always swab vial, and always use drawing pins. All sterile procedure possible.
Now I have a big ass 7" hump and pain in my leg, and if my couple augmentin, amox and bioxin don't fix, I'm ER bound. I can't go through life just shooting 1 leg, thank god for delts, bi's lats, and my huge ass.
Any ideas on why I get these, all I do know is I have a lot of scar tissue in that area, the pin goes in hard, and oil often floats back toward surface. For some reason other leg has less scar tissue (by feel pin doesn't stick so much.)
(no I'm not one of those morons that just shoot in a 1 square inch spot in quad, I do rotate.
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Ozmrolympia
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My ex training partner had the same problem and he in an older bloke who has been juicing from the early 90's. He would get infections in his left quad. He saw many docs about this problem and spoke to may blokes who are in the know and this is what conclusion and precautions he came up with. The problem is the result of scar tissue and the ester/oil not leaving the site and sticking around for a long time. because of the scar tissue, blood flow is restricted to the area thus the problems occur.
He is what he did for 6 months:
1.Stopped shooting in legs for about 6 months
2.Started using more orals, and all injections were performed in delts and glutes
3.He got twice weekly massages performed on his back, glutes and thighs and this helped a lot
4.Used only human gear that do not cause local swelling like testoviron amps or primoteston or organon deca.
The trick is to get the blood back into the area and break down the scar tissue with the massage. It worked
Big A what are your thought?
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heavy squat
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Ozmrolympia
bro I love you, thats the best sense anyone has ever made of it. Right or wrong. Sounds right , why coudn't I think of that.
Since that cycle with IP's 300 cyp as mainstay for quad shots, other shit eslewhere, it felt like teh stuff would ball up like sust does, but never did go away. I never knew if the oval shaped 4" long by 1.5 inch wide hard spot in my quad was, or if it is supposed to be like that or such. Since I never paid much attention. It wasn't so much a sust type lump, but a hardening of tissue in leg feeling..
Strange part is we are only looking at 2cc each leg per week. I can put over 2cc in my bi's no prob, buit any mre than 2cc in legs hurts, gets tight. Maybe that shit somehow caused scar tissue, and my legs don't absorb oil so well anymore.
The only reason I used that cyp300 was because it was free, I wish I hadn't now. Somthing abou that could have caused the scar tissue.
btw, only use 23ga pins, so rule out damage from weekly 18ga, like some guys have.
Your theory would also explain why the oil seems to form a lump in the left quad and come closer to surface or even sometimes move 3" back toward my hip after the muscel moves.
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04-25-2002 12:51 PM
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I would also think somehow pro's would experience this after years of pin pricks and irritating injectables??????????
Good thing I lost my fear to injest other places a while back.
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04-25-2002 12:52 PM
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Years ago, before the high alcohol bootleg gear hit the scene, most bodybuilders never experienced the above problems simply because they were using human grade steroids.
This is why i always advise people to saty away from bootleg gear like the IP crap being sold. I used tokkyo cypionate a few months back and i still have hard lumps in my arse which is scar tissue. The high alcohol content causes permanent damage to the tissue in the area. The only way this can be treated is by deep issue massage.
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04-25-2002 02:27 PM
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Oz is right on money no word or lie i have sucked out 10ml fo brown bloody shit, from sites from using china tren ED, better off spending more and using less. Similar problems with his cyp, but not as bad, due to injections being less often.
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04-25-2002 07:45 PM
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Why would anyone inject themselves with garbage made in China. I cannot understand
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don't worry
I am done with it, had good luck to a point, but just not worth it.
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04-25-2002 08:53 PM
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I only used it, because a guy owed me money, and it was that, or wait another 6 months for my $$$. So I was stuck with 6 bottles of it.
I too am totally opposed to high dose gear, these days. T-400 has caused more harm to dumb ass (I was a dumb ass once) newbies, even after they hear of problems with it. None in my gym will listen too me when I say if you must use it, mix it with something. they actually rather not walk for a week. They all feel 400mg/ml is better than 200 for some reason, even on 600mg/week cycles.
Denkall was clever marketing, but more is not necessarily better. Now some guys I know think they should make sust at high dose levels and that it would work better some how. They only take 2 a week!!!!!!
I only tried denkall to be a ginuea pig, it was free too. 2nd quad shot left me unable to bend my leg more than 5 degrees for a week, wiht massage and hot pad, helping very little. Used hot pad 3 hours a day+. Mixed wasn't so bad, but if you are gonna dilute it, why not just buy a lower dose gear anyway.
If denkall cared about animals, poor creatures :^) they should pull it. As for IP stuff, it didn't kill me, but may have fuckedd me up. I did however not experience much pain with it. And it was fun, when it got colder than 55 degrees or so, it would come out of solutionand look like a bottle of jizz I imagine it may have turned to jizz in my leg too. lol
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04-25-2002 08:57 PM
Lex Lugger
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Next time mix 10% BA in sterile water put about 2 cc's in that bitch and let sit for an hour and drain, no more infection. Worked really weel for me. Only if it is an infection, internal bleeding due to high concentrations or wahtever I dont know but if that bitch is infected this trick works.
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LEX, I have a celluitis, it is more above muscle and under skin area, skin turns red for large patch. can eventually get really nasty untreated. I think you are talking about a treatment for abcess are you not??? Abcess is deep, cellulitis is less localized and not so deep Which did you have.
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04-26-2002 04:38 AM
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I just had a thing like yours...I drained it twice took out over 50 cc's of something....it was from 200mg per cc t prop. not an abcess....my advise above is for abcess..yes didnt mean to confuse.
mine was caused from cellular damage due to concentration of solute was to high...I just drined twice and it was fine.
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04-26-2002 10:06 AM
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of course sterile abscesses can get kinda gross too. You are lucky that was not an abscess. Celluitis I don't mind too much, if you controll it, you are cool. Abscess can get nasty, and possibly have to have some tissue cut out etc. End up with scar tissue etc.
That said, celluitis untreated has left (non-juicer) frinds of mine with ugly spots. These were infections following bug bites etc. In the spring bees carry mud adn a lot of celluitis is the result of mud and stinger penetrating skin.
But a gu I knows shoulder is really ugly, looks like celluite on a lean shoulder, because he left his bee sting infection untreated too long. Another has a fucked up hand.
But seems a lot of people get what looks and acts like celluitis from t400 and such, but it goes away after a while.
A final note, correct or not, I don't know if it is good to try to drain a celluitis, since you can push infection deeper, probably why doctors hold off on abscess till celluitis subsides. maybe wrong though.
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Ozmrolympia
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Do not try and drain it. It will make things worse
I just got of the phone with my mate who had the same problem as described above, and i forgot to mention he took strong antibiotics for 3 weeks to clear everything up. This helped a lot
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well bioxin, augmentin adn some ammoxicillin has cleared it up about 3/4 thus far. lump still there
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04-27-2002 11:49 PM
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I've only a problem once. It was with sus that I got on script, so real stuff, clean, human, etc. It was in my ass. I injected in scar tissue. Because the oil didn't dissipate, it turned into an abscess. It only became like that and startted hurting 4 weeks after the shot (it was the last shot of a cycle). It started hurting and it got to the size of an orange. I couldn't sleep or drive a car for 2 weeks.
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3rd celluitis in 1 year--HELP!! Heavy Squat
In the last year I have had 3 celluitis infections in my left quad. Not counting a t-400 (never use again straight) Alcohol damage). 3 infections, same spot, different gear. Omna, primoteston, sten. (Yes I know why sten, well it was free). Anyone know why this might occur, never get infections in bicep, tri, glut, other leg etc. Continued to use same gear no probs.
I swab with alcohol, real wet. then swab again, air dry and shoot. Always swab vial, and always use drawing pins. All sterile procedure possible.
Now I have a big ass 7" hump and pain in my leg, and if my couple augmentin, amox and bioxin don't fix, I'm ER bound. I can't go through life just shooting 1 leg, thank god for delts, bi's lats, and my huge ass.
Any ideas on why I get these, all I do know is I have a lot of scar tissue in that area, the pin goes in hard, and oil often floats back toward surface. For some reason other leg has less scar tissue (by feel pin doesn't stick so much.)
(no I'm not one of those morons that just shoot in a 1 square inch spot in quad, I do rotate.
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04-24-2002 10:34 AM
Ozmrolympia
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My ex training partner had the same problem and he in an older bloke who has been juicing from the early 90's. He would get infections in his left quad. He saw many docs about this problem and spoke to may blokes who are in the know and this is what conclusion and precautions he came up with. The problem is the result of scar tissue and the ester/oil not leaving the site and sticking around for a long time. because of the scar tissue, blood flow is restricted to the area thus the problems occur.
He is what he did for 6 months:
1.Stopped shooting in legs for about 6 months
2.Started using more orals, and all injections were performed in delts and glutes
3.He got twice weekly massages performed on his back, glutes and thighs and this helped a lot
4.Used only human gear that do not cause local swelling like testoviron amps or primoteston or organon deca.
The trick is to get the blood back into the area and break down the scar tissue with the massage. It worked
Big A what are your thought?
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heavy squat
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Ozmrolympia
bro I love you, thats the best sense anyone has ever made of it. Right or wrong. Sounds right , why coudn't I think of that.
Since that cycle with IP's 300 cyp as mainstay for quad shots, other shit eslewhere, it felt like teh stuff would ball up like sust does, but never did go away. I never knew if the oval shaped 4" long by 1.5 inch wide hard spot in my quad was, or if it is supposed to be like that or such. Since I never paid much attention. It wasn't so much a sust type lump, but a hardening of tissue in leg feeling..
Strange part is we are only looking at 2cc each leg per week. I can put over 2cc in my bi's no prob, buit any mre than 2cc in legs hurts, gets tight. Maybe that shit somehow caused scar tissue, and my legs don't absorb oil so well anymore.
The only reason I used that cyp300 was because it was free, I wish I hadn't now. Somthing abou that could have caused the scar tissue.
btw, only use 23ga pins, so rule out damage from weekly 18ga, like some guys have.
Your theory would also explain why the oil seems to form a lump in the left quad and come closer to surface or even sometimes move 3" back toward my hip after the muscel moves.
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04-25-2002 12:51 PM
heavy squat
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I would also think somehow pro's would experience this after years of pin pricks and irritating injectables??????????
Good thing I lost my fear to injest other places a while back.
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04-25-2002 12:52 PM
Ozmrolympia
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Years ago, before the high alcohol bootleg gear hit the scene, most bodybuilders never experienced the above problems simply because they were using human grade steroids.
This is why i always advise people to saty away from bootleg gear like the IP crap being sold. I used tokkyo cypionate a few months back and i still have hard lumps in my arse which is scar tissue. The high alcohol content causes permanent damage to the tissue in the area. The only way this can be treated is by deep issue massage.
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04-25-2002 02:27 PM
eye_candy
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High BA content
Oz is right on money no word or lie i have sucked out 10ml fo brown bloody shit, from sites from using china tren ED, better off spending more and using less. Similar problems with his cyp, but not as bad, due to injections being less often.
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Why would anyone inject themselves with garbage made in China. I cannot understand
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don't worry
I am done with it, had good luck to a point, but just not worth it.
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I only used it, because a guy owed me money, and it was that, or wait another 6 months for my $$$. So I was stuck with 6 bottles of it.
I too am totally opposed to high dose gear, these days. T-400 has caused more harm to dumb ass (I was a dumb ass once) newbies, even after they hear of problems with it. None in my gym will listen too me when I say if you must use it, mix it with something. they actually rather not walk for a week. They all feel 400mg/ml is better than 200 for some reason, even on 600mg/week cycles.
Denkall was clever marketing, but more is not necessarily better. Now some guys I know think they should make sust at high dose levels and that it would work better some how. They only take 2 a week!!!!!!
I only tried denkall to be a ginuea pig, it was free too. 2nd quad shot left me unable to bend my leg more than 5 degrees for a week, wiht massage and hot pad, helping very little. Used hot pad 3 hours a day+. Mixed wasn't so bad, but if you are gonna dilute it, why not just buy a lower dose gear anyway.
If denkall cared about animals, poor creatures :^) they should pull it. As for IP stuff, it didn't kill me, but may have fuckedd me up. I did however not experience much pain with it. And it was fun, when it got colder than 55 degrees or so, it would come out of solutionand look like a bottle of jizz I imagine it may have turned to jizz in my leg too. lol
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Lex Lugger
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Next time mix 10% BA in sterile water put about 2 cc's in that bitch and let sit for an hour and drain, no more infection. Worked really weel for me. Only if it is an infection, internal bleeding due to high concentrations or wahtever I dont know but if that bitch is infected this trick works.
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heavy squat
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LEX, I have a celluitis, it is more above muscle and under skin area, skin turns red for large patch. can eventually get really nasty untreated. I think you are talking about a treatment for abcess are you not??? Abcess is deep, cellulitis is less localized and not so deep Which did you have.
.
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Lex Lugger
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I just had a thing like yours...I drained it twice took out over 50 cc's of something....it was from 200mg per cc t prop. not an abcess....my advise above is for abcess..yes didnt mean to confuse.
mine was caused from cellular damage due to concentration of solute was to high...I just drined twice and it was fine.
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of course sterile abscesses can get kinda gross too. You are lucky that was not an abscess. Celluitis I don't mind too much, if you controll it, you are cool. Abscess can get nasty, and possibly have to have some tissue cut out etc. End up with scar tissue etc.
That said, celluitis untreated has left (non-juicer) frinds of mine with ugly spots. These were infections following bug bites etc. In the spring bees carry mud adn a lot of celluitis is the result of mud and stinger penetrating skin.
But a gu I knows shoulder is really ugly, looks like celluite on a lean shoulder, because he left his bee sting infection untreated too long. Another has a fucked up hand.
But seems a lot of people get what looks and acts like celluitis from t400 and such, but it goes away after a while.
A final note, correct or not, I don't know if it is good to try to drain a celluitis, since you can push infection deeper, probably why doctors hold off on abscess till celluitis subsides. maybe wrong though.
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Ozmrolympia
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Do not try and drain it. It will make things worse
I just got of the phone with my mate who had the same problem as described above, and i forgot to mention he took strong antibiotics for 3 weeks to clear everything up. This helped a lot
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heavy squat
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well bioxin, augmentin adn some ammoxicillin has cleared it up about 3/4 thus far. lump still there
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Big A
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I've only a problem once. It was with sus that I got on script, so real stuff, clean, human, etc. It was in my ass. I injected in scar tissue. Because the oil didn't dissipate, it turned into an abscess. It only became like that and startted hurting 4 weeks after the shot (it was the last shot of a cycle). It started hurting and it got to the size of an orange. I couldn't sleep or drive a car for 2 weeks.
