A great mass builder..

[bigbaldbulldog]

Week 1:
100mgs susp...M W F
400mgs sust....M W F
300 mgs EQ....M W F

Week 3-6
100mgs tren...M W F
400mgs sust...M W F
300 mgs EQ...M W F
2-4 ius HGH 5 days on and 4 straight months
50 ius IGF 3 weeks on

week 4....2,500ius HCG every 5days for 4 shots (10,000 iu)
week 4 ...take 2.5 mgs Letrozole EOD next 12 weeks
week 5/6...100mgs clomid/20mgs nolvadex 2X a day 14 days

weeks 7-10
100mgs tren...M W F
400 mgs sust...M W F
300 mgs EQ....M W F
50 mgs anadrol..M W F
50mcgs IGF 3 weeks

Week 11-12
100mgs tren...M W F
400 mgs sust..M W F
300 mgs EQ....M W F

Week 13/14 .....2,500 iu HCG every 5 days for 4 shots
week 13/14/15....100mgs clomid/20 mgs Nolvadex 2X a day 14 days
Week 13-16 ......50 mcgs IGF 3 weeks....

Feedback or thoughts ....always welcome

 

[Jrflex10er]

holy fuck thats alot of gear lol. I bet you get HUUUUUUUGEEEEEEEEEEEEE off this cycle. I wanna try I wanna try Do you keep alot of your muscle gains off this cycle BBA?

 

[wyldeone]

close

I like your thoughts on alot of the above but while i agree with the test suspension in the first 4 weeks i would also use the tren at 75-150mg eod and 50mg or anadrol per day in conjuction with the suspension in the first 4 weeks. I would also use 600mg of e.q. per week and 4iu of GH.

so it would look like this

weeks #1-4
100mg test suspension per day
75-150mg tren eod
600mg e.q. per week
50mg anadrol per day
4iu gh per day
250mg sustanon mon/wensday/saturday
50mg proviron per day
letrozole or arimadex as needed

weeks #5-8
tren 75mg eod
e.q. 600mg per week
gh 4iu per day
100mg test prop/250mg test enenthate or cyp. on mon/wensday/saturday
50mg proviron

at week #6 2500iu of HCG every 3 days for a period of 10 days

that is a rough outline and one i use on quite a few of my advanced bodybuilders in off-season prep. it works and then after the androgen front-load we switch the ratios to a more anabolic blend and drop a lot of the androgens minus the test which should always be a staple of all cycles. wyldeone

 

[MightyJohn]

????

????for Wyldeone...with those dosages what is the approximate weight of a competitor U would suggest this cycle to.....?(mid, lt.hvy, hvy..etc)

 

[AWN2004]

Man that seems like a ton of stuff to me....I dont really mean the amounts but total compounds taken. Looks like you would be a human pin cushion.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

GET OFF NOW AND GO DRUG FREE

THE LATEST NEWS IS THAT THE NPC DOES NOT WANT MASS MONSTERS, JUST SLEEK, STEALTHY LEAN MEN. DRUG FREE HERE WE COME!!!

 

[jerrywear]

for the past 2 year they were talking about doing bodybuilding drug free show.i think this is what is came to.in the next world games bodybuilding going to be one of the events, i just wondering how they going to test them?i know few lithuanians going to be there and they are drugs full bodybuildersi

 

[bigbaldbulldog]

THE LATEST NEWS IS THAT THE NPC DOES NOT WANT MASS MONSTERS, JUST SLEEK, STEALTHY LEAN MEN. DRUG FREE HERE WE COME!!!

Good thing doing a show has not come to mind...This is perhaps my last run at trying to reach my max potential...i have to see if i can do it ...i have given this sport 80% when i was trying to get big and i let other factors get in my head so i never achieved my best..now my head is in the right place to make a run...

I know i told Phil i was done with this carnival act but i gotta see what i can do..why should everyone else have all the fun...i am taking extra measures to keep my body full of liver nutrients,and over all body cleansers and detoxers .

 

[wyldeone]

phil!

Phil,
Yep your right my man! Sorry you don't agree with the direction the NPC and IFBB are heading but its the simple facts I don't make the rules I just follow them, You know many in the industry so please ask away just like i told you to before and please post your findings for all of us. In regards to the cycle info. this is an example of what a top level experienced light-heavyweight-heavyweight bodybuilder on the national level would do for a period of 8 weeks in an OFF SEASON BULKING PHASE! In no way would I reccomend that the general board members do a cycle like this as I don't feel it would be in mosts best interest. When you take on a client and look at past cycle experience as I always ask them for that before outlining a supplement regimn for them, there is NO WAY that a guy that has been using 2 grams of test a week along with 1000mg of deca and 6iu of GH is going to grow or make gains using 500mg test enenthate/400mg e.q./3-4iu GH/25-30mg d-bol and 150mg winstrol-v per week! therefore you adjust the supplement regimn to fit each specific competetor and their needs based on their specific goals! wyldeone.

 

[hardkor]

Do you all feel that 8 weeks is sufficient for an off-season mass building cycle? I normally go about 12 weeks. Is that too long and unnecessary?

 

[MightyJohn]

Thanks Wylde

Thanks Wylde...I was wondering b/c I have competed as a mid wt. 2 yrs ago & am looking to compete as a lt.hvy this year & think the cycle suggestion U posted is awesome, so now if I debate running something like that can just adjust MY dosages accordingly(based on MY weight & history)

 

[PHIL HERNON]

I dont think

Phil,
Yep your right my man! Sorry you don't agree with the direction the NPC and IFBB are heading but its the simple facts I don't make the rules I just follow them, You know many in the industry so please ask away just like i told you to before and please post your findings for all of us. In regards to the cycle info. this is an example of what a top level experienced light-heavyweight-heavyweight bodybuilder on the national level would do for a period of 8 weeks in an OFF SEASON BULKING PHASE! In no way would I reccomend that the general board members do a cycle like this as I don't feel it would be in mosts best interest. When you take on a client and look at past cycle experience as I always ask them for that before outlining a supplement regimn for them, there is NO WAY that a guy that has been using 2 grams of test a week along with 1000mg of deca and 6iu of GH is going to grow or make gains using 500mg test enenthate/400mg e.q./3-4iu GH/25-30mg d-bol and 150mg winstrol-v per week! therefore you adjust the supplement regimn to fit each specific competetor and their needs based on their specific goals! wyldeone.

That there is a trend either way. IF there is, no one believes it, in mens BBing for sure. SHow me a competitor that is purposely trying to lose size to win the USA then I will believe it.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Another thing

Why do we have to always be the sheep that are led to slaughter? Let us enter the show the way we want to look, then let the judges judge us. If we are all huge, can they pick a smaller, sleek competitor for rthe overall? No, because there will not be any. Do you want to go to a BBing show and find a swim meet? Fuck what the judges say, we all know what the people want and what the magazines want. Dont turn this sport into a fitness show.

 

[wyldeone]

your missing my point!

Phil,
I agree but the trend they are tying to set is a healthier approach. I'm not insinuating a swimmers body that will never happen nor is that what I am looking to see. I want to see the Mark Dugdale,Rich Gasparie type look I love Ronnie and he is a true freak as is Marcus but it isn't fucking healthy and you know it. Tell the members the real reason why you won't compete anymore Phil. its not the politics. If your trying to tell me that Chris Cook's physique or Mark Dugdales physique or Richard Jones isn't appealing your kidding yourself. Look who is getting all the press and the big endorsement deals and photo shoots and guest posing apperances. They are trying to bring it back more mainstream in our world. I personally could compete alot bigger and heavier myself but for what? to risk my health for a fucking $25.00 trophy no thanks brother. I prefer to use my knowledge to help my clients attain their goals safely and show them they can get to the national level without the extremly unsafe dosags that so many are using today. Look at how many pro's have had health issues the last few years. Is that the direction you want to see the sport continue to follow? so you can burry a few more friends thats not what i want to see. Do you want to attract attention from the mainstream so fellow bodybuilders keep getting busted for god-damn steroid possesion, come on if we have a more mainstream,healthier look like back in the 80's and early 90's they(the media and the authorities) might leave us alone as they will think we are promoting a healthy life-style. as far as guys streamlining their physiques where do you want me to start? shit look at the last two usa's Richard Jones and mark Dugdale both. I know mark and he kept his weight down to make light-heavies and bring the package they wanted him to into USA'S and it was the right choice. wyldeone.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Then why

Phil,
I agree but the trend they are tying to set is a healthier approach. I'm not insinuating a swimmers body that will never happen nor is that what I am looking to see. I want to see the Mark Dugdale,Rich Gasparie type look I love Ronnie and he is a true freak as is Marcus but it isn't fucking healthy and you know it. Tell the members the real reason why you won't compete anymore Phil. its not the politics. If your trying to tell me that Chris Cook's physique or Mark Dugdales physique or Richard Jones isn't appealing your kidding yourself. Look who is getting all the press and the big endorsement deals and photo shoots and guest posing apperances. They are trying to bring it back more mainstream in our world. I personally could compete alot bigger and heavier myself but for what? to risk my health for a fucking $25.00 trophy no thanks brother. I prefer to use my knowledge to help my clients attain their goals safely and show them they can get to the national level without the extremly unsafe dosags that so many are using today. Look at how many pro's have had health issues the last few years. Is that the direction you want to see the sport continue to follow? so you can burry a few more friends thats not what i want to see. Do you want to attract attention from the mainstream so fellow bodybuilders keep getting busted for god-damn steroid possesion, come on if we have a more mainstream,healthier look like back in the 80's and early 90's they(the media and the authorities) might leave us alone as they will think we are promoting a healthy life-style. as far as guys streamlining their physiques where do you want me to start? shit look at the last two usa's Richard Jones and mark Dugdale both. I know mark and he kept his weight down to make light-heavies and bring the package they wanted him to into USA'S and it was the right choice. wyldeone.

Do you condone such high dosages for the competitors? Have I ever suggested a cycle to anyone on here?Just tell them to all just get off and go drug free. What is too much to take? What amount is unhealthy? I know that when you competed you tried to be a lot bigger. Dont tell me that you wanted to be the size you were. If you dont want anyone busted for steroid posession, quit suggesting high dose cycles or any cycles for that matter.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Richard Jones

Phil,
I agree but the trend they are tying to set is a healthier approach. I'm not insinuating a swimmers body that will never happen nor is that what I am looking to see. I want to see the Mark Dugdale,Rich Gasparie type look I love Ronnie and he is a true freak as is Marcus but it isn't fucking healthy and you know it. Tell the members the real reason why you won't compete anymore Phil. its not the politics. If your trying to tell me that Chris Cook's physique or Mark Dugdales physique or Richard Jones isn't appealing your kidding yourself. Look who is getting all the press and the big endorsement deals and photo shoots and guest posing apperances. They are trying to bring it back more mainstream in our world. I personally could compete alot bigger and heavier myself but for what? to risk my health for a fucking $25.00 trophy no thanks brother. I prefer to use my knowledge to help my clients attain their goals safely and show them they can get to the national level without the extremly unsafe dosags that so many are using today. Look at how many pro's have had health issues the last few years. Is that the direction you want to see the sport continue to follow? so you can burry a few more friends thats not what i want to see. Do you want to attract attention from the mainstream so fellow bodybuilders keep getting busted for god-damn steroid possesion, come on if we have a more mainstream,healthier look like back in the 80's and early 90's they(the media and the authorities) might leave us alone as they will think we are promoting a healthy life-style. as far as guys streamlining their physiques where do you want me to start? shit look at the last two usa's Richard Jones and mark Dugdale both. I know mark and he kept his weight down to make light-heavies and bring the package they wanted him to into USA'S and it was the right choice. wyldeone.

BTW, how did Richard Jones and his streamlined physique do at the last Olympia?

 

[wyldeone]

I tried to be alot bigger?

Phil,
Your wrong I never have tried to be bigger If i want to be I can/will be! as far as the reason I help people on here is because i want them to be as safe as possible with their usage. If you want to see me ALOT bigger I might just do it to show you how much bigger I can be. People aren't going to quit taking steroids nor is that what I am saying to do. People will buy steroids regardless but if you can help them be safer and healthier with their usage its well worth the extra time in my book. I suggest cycles based on each individual client therefore I only give general guilines based on what someone tells me they are doing or already have done. As far as when i competed I competed at Emerald Cup this year and did in Naturally to make weight so obviously I still compete and will again this year. Naturally no prob. not but then again that is because the bar has been raised so high you have to use to be competetive. You will well know when i am using I guarantee that.

 

[wyldeone]

Richard isa rookie and atleast he made the Olympia! correct me if I'm wrong but he finnished 3rd earlier i nthe year to qulaify didn't he. These mass-monsters how many of them are beating dexter Jackson and Darrem Charles? hmmm not many look at who won what pro shows this year and get back to me would ya!

 

[PHIL HERNON]

But why do that

Phil,
Your wrong I never have tried to be bigger If i want to be I can/will be! as far as the reason I help people on here is because i want them to be as safe as possible with their usage. If you want to see me ALOT bigger I might just do it to show you how much bigger I can be. People aren't going to quit taking steroids nor is that what I am saying to do. People will buy steroids regardless but if you can help them be safer and healthier with their usage its well worth the extra time in my book. I suggest cycles based on each individual client therefore I only give general guilines based on what someone tells me they are doing or already have done. As far as when i competed I competed at Emerald Cup this year and did in Naturally to make weight so obviously I still compete and will again this year. Naturally no prob. not but then again that is because the bar has been raised so high you have to use to be competetive. You will well know when i am using I guarantee that.

Just for a damn $25 trophy? I remember you posting about how big you will be, months before your show when you just started your cycle. What happened? Did you stop using? You think I want to see my peers buried? Stop suggesting cycles if you are not doing them yourself. You looked pretty impressive for a natural, it can be done I guess, so why not teach your clients that route?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Wyldeone

Here is my point. If you want to get big, DO IT, QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT. WIN SOMETHING. I dont care either way. Just dont tell me that I promote unsafe practices on here. I am not a doctor, and neither are you. You have no idea what a bottle of test and an anadrol will do to someone and not do to someone else/let alone slin.