ACCORDING TO PATRIC ARNOLD A SOLUTION FOR HIGH REDBLOOD CELL COUNT

aqrojase · Mar 9, 2011

maldorf · Mar 9, 2011

Not as good an option as giving blood(phleobotmies) IMO. It might be good if combined with doing phlebotomies though. To me though, putting yet another drug into your body is just increasing your risks for more side effects.Just about any drug you put into your body is going to increase chances for other problems, so I would just stick with the natural method of phelbotomies and reevalute your AAS usage to try and minimize your hemoglobin/hematocrit issues.

aphextwin · Mar 9, 2011

Good Info

I like what PA writes about, but I have to agree with Maldorf. I agree with what he says.

NY Muscle · Mar 9, 2011

Whats the negative about high red blood cell count? too much iron in the body? or just not good for the heart?

Bassguy · Mar 9, 2011

Having a high red blood cell count puts an additional workload on your heart and also increases your risk of having a blood clot. I agree with maldorf. Giving blood to an organization like the Red Cross helps both other people and yourself. If you are not eligible to donate to them your doctor can always write a script for therapeutic phlebotomy. The article was very interesting to read.

Kaladryn · Mar 9, 2011

Sounds interesting, PA is a pretty smart guy. I personally have found a cure for my high RBC: Cardio.

weltweite · Mar 9, 2011

There is actually an interesting article by Dharkam that talks about Trental and other things

Grow Even When Off Steroids! Part 2 by Dharkam

I do not know anyone who has tried amnirone or dantrolene

but the part about amnirone and insulin was interesting..

"Amrinone is not only a wonderful drug for muscles, it is also a magical molecule for fat loss. It is a specific phosphodiesterase III inhibitor. It is this very specific phosphodiesterase that insulin activates in adipose tissue to prevent fat loss. This means that by using Amrinone, you can lose bodyfat even while on insulin. Stacking Amrinone along with insulin allows you to decrease the catabolic activity of the ubiquitin-proteasome pathway while reducing the likelihood of gaining fat."

kid1dakota · Mar 9, 2011

maldorf said:
Not as good an option as giving blood(phleobotmies) IMO. It might be good if combined with doing phlebotomies though. To me though, putting yet another drug into your body is just increasing your risks for more side effects.Just about any drug you put into your body is going to increase chances for other problems, so I would just stick with the natural method of phelbotomies and reevalute your AAS usage to try and minimize your hemoglobin/hematocrit issues.

Thank you! the answer to side effects isn't throwing more drugs at the problem.good post

aqrojase · Mar 9, 2011

True we are better off donating blood, but I think a lot of users will keep doing AAS until they finally get the side effect. Its just the nature of the way most of us think that live the bodybuilding lifestyle. so any thing that can help with side effects should be looked into. a lot of us take AIs for estrogen sides and proscar for hairloss/prostate. I guess sources should start having a section for heart health

KillerStack · Mar 10, 2011

aqrojase said:
TRENTAL by Patrick Arnold

Regarding the "claudication", I have a question. When we talk about a 'skin-splitting pump' it's claudication, right? Which then means there's reduced blood flow to the muscle, correct? So let's say you take these OTC vasodilators and blood flow improvers, and assume they work, they should reduce the pump sensation? I personally never noticed anything from NO2 products as far as the pump, and maybe it's because they actually inhibit constriction aka the pump.

I remember "Animal" talking about how you don't want to get pumped as an athlete or bodybuilder, you want improved blood flow for quick recovery between sets, quick removal of waste products etc, and not a pumped constricted muscle.

Thoughts?

j8282 · Mar 10, 2011

maldorf said:
Not as good an option as giving blood(phleobotmies) IMO. It might be good if combined with doing phlebotomies though. To me though, putting yet another drug into your body is just increasing your risks for more side effects.Just about any drug you put into your body is going to increase chances for other problems, so I would just stick with the natural method of phelbotomies and reevalute your AAS usage to try and minimize your hemoglobin/hematocrit issues.

If your RBC is normal, should someone still give blood thats on gear? Why do they ask if you have taken or sleep with someone thats taken gear?

Kaladryn · Mar 10, 2011

KillerStack said:
Regarding the "claudication", I have a question. When we talk about a 'skin-splitting pump' it's claudication, right? Which then means there's reduced blood flow to the muscle, correct? So let's say you take these OTC vasodilators and blood flow improvers, and assume they work, they should reduce the pump sensation? I personally never noticed anything from NO2 products as far as the pump, and maybe it's because they actually inhibit constriction aka the pump.

I remember "Animal" talking about how you don't want to get pumped as an athlete or bodybuilder, you want improved blood flow for quick recovery between sets, quick removal of waste products etc, and not a pumped constricted muscle.

Thoughts?

Interesting idea, I do know that being pumped definitely reduces strength. I have also found that cialis seems to improve pumps but decrease strength (I did 5mg/day for six months). HIT advocates Dorian and Mentzer both called the pump meaningless, as have others.

fury- · Mar 10, 2011

Kaladryn said:
Interesting idea, I do know that being pumped definitely reduces strength. I have also found that cialis seems to improve pumps but decrease strength (I did 5mg/day for six months). HIT advocates Dorian and Mentzer both called the pump meaningless, as have others.

I believe some of the HIT guys refer to the pump as congestion and it doesnt allow one to properly inroad to the muscle.

maldorf · Mar 11, 2011

j8282 said:
If your RBC is normal, should someone still give blood thats on gear? Why do they ask if you have taken or sleep with someone thats taken gear?

They are thinking stereotypically and worry that you have been sharing needles and might have AIDS or hepatitis. Its pretty ridiculous really. Thats my opinion at least. I cant find a legitimate reason otherwise why they would think such a thing and ask that question.