after alot of research...

[cavemuscle]

Decided to go with a year on Deca (I'll get the dosage for you later) kick started with 3 weeks of Dbol and stacked with my high dose (500 mg weekly) testosterone HRT.

Because of the HRT, I've been told the pct is not required. However and here is my question, should I be taking breaks from the deca? If so, how often and for how long?

TIA

Brock

 

[marooned]

It is not HRT at 500mg/wk. HRT is around 100mg/wk. So you have been on cycle for a year with no plan of PCT? Yes, you should be coming off and going through PCT. A good rule to follow is the time on cycle equals the time off cycle. So the breaks are as long as the cycle itself.

Have you been taking an AI with this or any other meds? Do you have Novadex, HCG, and maybe cabergoline on hand? Post a some more info for better answers and search the older threads too.

Have you had any bloodwork done during the cycle or before?

 

[Dad]

Good points, Marooned!

What reseach and where???

A year at 500 mg of test, as Marooned correctly points out, is NOT HRT. This is simply a cycle, period. Add to that the deca (a poor choice due to progesterone sides many experience), and now yuo're on a fairly high-dose cycle.

Yuo've been told the completely wrong info about the PCT - on a cycle like this it will be an absolute MUST.

Being on for a year at these dosages is beyond insane, and one of the worst ideas I've heard (though lately, there have been a number of similarly poor ideas proposed).

Sounds like yuor "research" has consisted of reading the various incorrect ideas most people on muscle boards have. Go back and start over.

 

[ALLEX]

Decided to go with a year on Deca (I'll get the dosage for you later) kick started with 3 weeks of Dbol and stacked with my high dose (500 mg weekly) testosterone HRT.

Because of the HRT, I've been told the pct is not required. However and here is my question, should I be taking breaks from the deca? If so, how often and for how long?

TIA

Brock

How old are you bro? Who put you on this HRT?
People who do HRT cycle this way:

Standard 8-12 weeks with proper anti-e's during cycle and 2 weeks after cycle.
Then you come off, which means doing 100-150mg of test per week for let's say the same time you were on or maybe just a good 4-6 weeks. Then you do it again with whatever compounds suit you best. The difference is that you will not worry about HCG or clomid, because your little boys are gone for good. This thing works fine for older (35+) bodybuilders who won't be able to get their natural test levels back naturally.

Hope this helps.

 

[cavemuscle]

Yeah that did. I'm 52, on 500 mg testim of which I absorb around 40% per week.

So, do William L's basic deca-dbol cycle then? which anti -e?

if not deca, what else would anyone suggest?

Here to learn!

Brock

 

[finny]

When on a cycle, I would forgo testim (as your absorption is probably pretty low anyway) and do test e or test c with deca. Then next cycle you can subst deca for equipose and see how you like deca vs equip.

As Alex pointed out, do a normal cycle of around 12 weeks or so. One year on AAS is not a good idea. Do the cycle, run aromasin for 4 weeks or so, starting one week after the cycle. Once the cycle stops, jump back on testim and continue with your HRT.

I would probably do something along the sides of 400/400 test and deca. Remember, if you haven't done a real cycle before, starting with less is better. Then with each cycle, increase the overall dosage slowly.

I would have test as your base with any cycle. But again, test e or test c not testim.

You can also run orals, provided your liver is ok and you take good care of it during the cycle.

 

[ALLEX]

Yeah that did. I'm 52, on 500 mg testim of which I absorb around 40% per week.

So, do William L's basic deca-dbol cycle then? which anti -e?

if not deca, what else would anyone suggest?

Here to learn!

Brock

Why don't you just take 1/2ml of whatever test you have during HRT instead of taking testim?
I like arimidex... Not a big fan of deca myself, so I'd do EQ instead, or maybe test alone.

 

[cavemuscle]

Makes good sense, what orals would you suggest, last bloodwork a month ago was excellent!

Brock

 

[finny]

D-bol is a good oral to start, probably at a dose of 20-30mg.

Again, you don't have to use any orals. Orals are usually run in the beginning of the cycle, to kick start the cycle - get your strenght up guickly before long ester injectables kick in.

You haven't indicated your goals and exercise, and diet history/plans. Maybe you're jumping into it too soon or might have too many compounds.

If this is your first cycle, I would try a low dose test inj and deca - see how you react. Next cycle, you can introduce an oral, like d-bol.

 

[cavemuscle]

goals :

Compete in 2 years. With my bone structure, light heavyweight at least. I stand 5ft8, currently 205 so I need to gain to an off season weight of 230 to 240.

food plan is getting easier and easier with more options coming online but I stick with the old standbys of Protien from whey, chicken, fish, lean beef and bison, clean carbs from yams, brown rice, whole wheat pastal or the new Barilla plus, fresh fruits, greens, grow my own herbs and toamtoes and peppers. I try to get 450 to 500 grams protien a day, heathy fats like flaxseed and olive oil. Some dairy in the form of low fat cottage cheese and a bit of half and half.

none of the 5 white poisons.

I did anadrol stacked on the adrogel i was first taking, short six week runs with 8 weeks between, great strength gains but way too dry, I ended up damaging some tendons, one of which snapped a few months later and required surgery.

Last summer i did an androgel/Trenadrol stack with pretty good results, gained 15 and kept 12, with the help of Gaspari novadex so I know the compounds work well on me.

so thats it i a nutshell. what else would you like to know?

Brock