Anavar + TRT: realistic expectations

[OldManLogan]

Assuming diet, lifestyle and training is on point, on 200 Test-C a week, what are realistic expectations of Anavar in the following scenarios:

If it matters, 5’8” 196# 11% body fat.

20-25 mg Anavar ED for 4-6 weeks
1) in a slight caloric surplus (200-300 above maintenance daily)
2) in a slight deficit (200-300 below maintenance)

And same scenarios, but say 40-50 mg daily?

From what I’ve read here, I expect a tiny bit of extra vascularity and muscle preservation in a cut, and maybe a tiny bit of muscle growth in a surplus versus without it. Also, lipids getting hit hard with the higher dosage, correct?

Is that an accurate expectation? I mean, beginners forum and all.

 

[szority]

I can honestly say I was prescribed Oxandrolone at 50mg a day from my compounding pharmacy on top of 200mg test, and I felt the muscle growth was better than dbol had been for me at 50mg a day without all the water retention. Everybody’s experience varies. I’m now on 100mg cypionate a week and just stared 50mg Oxandrolone a day again for next 8 weeks. I’ll see what happens, it’s been 7 years since I’ve used the stuff. My lipids only went to low 30s for my HDL(I hover around high 30s to low 40s) but my triglycerides did go up to almost 200 from mid 70s

 

[szority]

I didn’t get nearly as much from 25mg a day as I did 50mg, and to be honest, as good as 50mg was for me, 300-400mg of masteron enanthate a week was better on cuts for me without as much of a hit to my lipids. I’ve never used anavar on a bulk though

 

[Ride'm Cowboy]

Assuming diet, lifestyle and training is on point, on 200 Test-C a week, what are realistic expectations of Anavar in the following scenarios:

If it matters, 5’8” 196# 11% body fat.

20-25 mg Anavar ED for 4-6 weeks
1) in a slight caloric surplus (200-300 above maintenance daily)
2) in a slight deficit (200-300 below maintenance)

And same scenarios, but say 40-50 mg daily?

From what I’ve read here, I expect a tiny bit of extra vascularity and muscle preservation in a cut, and maybe a tiny bit of muscle growth in a surplus versus without it. Also, lipids getting hit hard with the higher dosage, correct?

Is that an accurate expectation? I mean, beginners forum and all.

You can expect to crash your hdl and not much more. Why not add 100 of npp? You can run this much longer and make better gains. Your joints will feel better and it should not impact your blood work either.

 

[OldManLogan]

Yup, I’m pretty much just taking Anavar as a sublingual preworkout at this point. Helps with the session. That’s about it for me so far.

 

[Ride'm Cowboy]

Yup, I’m pretty much just taking Anavar as a sublingual preworkout at this point. Helps with the session. That’s about it for me so far.

I'm sorry, but I've never heard of anavar as a sublingual. I heard anavar gets into your system pretty quick if you just swallow it.

 

[OldManLogan]

Search on this board, you’ll find plenty of info on it.

 

[Mufasa123]

Personally if I am using a compound, even an oral, as a primary move (2nd or maybe 3rd compound after test at descent dosage) I'd go Ed at least for stable blood levels. You aren't wrong doing pre workout but if you are using trt test and then var with the idea of really moving forward via those compounds...I'd do what I mentioned. Guys doing the pre workout orals only generally have full blasts of one or more injectables running.

Also var hits hdl hard even on modest doses. As hard as tren for me. If I'm going to use something like that I want the results to go with it. For the cost I want the benefits. I'd rather run var at real dose, get my progress and be done.

This is all personal philosophy and preference, not a right/wrong thing. Worth considering though and ultimately your response, your bloodwork, and your goals/preference will determine what is right for you.

 

[OldManLogan]

Personally if I am using a compound, even an oral, as a primary move (2nd or maybe 3rd compound after test at descent dosage) I'd go Ed at least for stable blood levels. You aren't wrong doing pre workout but if you are using trt test and then var with the idea of really moving forward via those compounds...I'd do what I mentioned. Guys doing the pre workout orals only generally have full blasts of one or more injectables running.

Also var hits hdl hard even on modest doses. As hard as tren for me. If I'm going to use something like that I want the results to go with it. For the cost I want the benefits. I'd rather run var at real dose, get my progress and be done.

This is all personal philosophy and preference, not a right/wrong thing. Worth considering though and ultimately your response, your bloodwork, and your goals/preference will determine what is right for you.

Very valid points. I’ve been using it as a preworkout at 25mg, pump feels great and lifts are progressing, bloodwork looks very good… but let me ask you, would you use it in the way you describe say, near the end of a cycle, just to get that last bit of anabolism/growth as well as the “look”? And what length of time would you recommend (generally speaking) to run it daily? 6-8 weeks?

 

[Mufasa123]

Very valid points. I’ve been using it as a preworkout at 25mg, pump feels great and lifts are progressing, bloodwork looks very good… but let me ask you, would you use it in the way you describe say, near the end of a cycle, just to get that last bit of anabolism/growth as well as the “look”? And what length of time would you recommend (generally speaking) to run it daily? 6-8 weeks?

Assuming above means I have a good injectable base, call it test/deca or whatever, and a good number of weeks under my belt. 6 weeks or so left and add Anavar? That can work. A lot of people do it.

My bloods are decent on orals so, when I use them which isn't often, I tend to run them longer than most (getting bloods to make sure). Adding them in bumps things up for sure. 50mg ED is a full 350mg a week and no ester component taking up weight in there so think of it as 500mg of an inject.

The only orals I still use, and it tends to be infrequent, are Winstrol, Anavar and Anadrol. The only one that really has great "looks", as you mentioned, is winstrol. That's an amazing cosmetic drug. Even someone running at 15-18% BF will see the difference and just look leaner and pop too. Takes 2 weeks to show up at 50mg oral ED. Also no debilitating pumps, solid for sports/athletics, make you strong as hell and the look itself is leaner and "powerful" in a word.

Var and it's pumps are problematic for athletics and may have played a role in rupturing my pec a while back as I'd added it at 25mg ED a couple weeks before and had a big pump going due to working with a group and more volume warm up than I'd like. Heavier weight on injury set but plenty of reps in the tank and technique was smooth sailing as I wasn't close to failure. I hate pumps - I have always been aware that they can contribute to and result in injury. Other than stepping on stage, high potential cost to pumps with the only benefit being, "Oh geez, I feel bigger now..." I realize I'm in the minority and not a BBer but that logic is not flawed and after all this time it finally got me.

 

[bigbumpkin2003]

I would double the Var dose and I believe you will be thrilled with the results. I feel it’s a very underrated compound

 

[OldManLogan]

I would double the Var dose and I believe you will be thrilled with the results. I feel it’s a very underrated compound

Quick question- Double it as a preworkout or in the ED short cycle scenario?