anti progesterones supps?

[Diesel1981]

What's best to run to offset tren and deca gyno or anti progesterones?

Thanks for the input!

 

[king1033]

caber

 

[knucklehed]

Cabergoline

Thought I'd take this opportunity to plug one of our board sponsors . I have researched with caber from various liquid-reserach sources and have recently been experimenting with IP's cabergoline tabs.
Good stuff!!!

 

[King-kong]

Caber - anyone with more info please PM me. Need dosage suggestions and such. Tried clicking on a particular sponsor but looks like their site was hijacked - goes to zoomshare.

 

[Researchstop]

Cabergoline is ergot derived. Because of this it can affect your heart valves and cause them to leak if you use it a lot.
You're much better off with Pramipexole. Not only does it lower your prolactin levels but it RAISES your natural GH levels by 400% or more.
Note that neither one is for progesterone. They are dopamine agonists that lower your prolactin levels. 99% of the time your problems with using progestins like tren/nandrolone is the increase in prolactin causing your gyno.
There is a long thread about using Pramipexole here.
**broken link removed**

It's very powerful and is used to overcome libido, gyno, and sleep issues when using tren.
We are a sponsor here and we sell it, just for full disclosure.

 

[EDED]

you are misinformed or mis typing it

you want something to combat gyno from progestin right? you dont want progesterone antagonist, your nuts will go bye bye if not already from tren/deca

progesterone antagonist or partial agonist will upregulate ER in the body and brain so you will be shut down and run into titty problems.

its not directly progesterone thats causing it, a little different,

and prolacting loves high estrogen environment so thats why some people have leaky titties from progestin based steroids, because their E level wasnt checked.

so either lower the E or get caber to lower prolactin, but better way should be to control your E.

 

[Researchstop]

EDED if you're posting to me you misread my post. If not, NM lol

 

[King-kong]

EDED - thanks. I could not get past the idea of whether it is prolactin or estro related gyno. Since the tren/deca supplement types increase prolactin but are normally taken with test, etc which increase estrogen - how does one know for sure what is causing the gyno issues? I am glad to hear that controlling the estro will combat both issues. Thanks

 

[EDED]

EDED if you're posting to me you misread my post. If not, NM lol

LOL, no no, i was talking to the OP, sorry i wasn't being clear when I replied right after you LOL, my bad.



king kong, progestins do not increase prolactin,,,,prolactin is there all the time its just that when the enivronment is right, then you get prolactin sides. that environment is high estrogen.

just know that progestins (or progesterone antagonist or parital agonist) will increase estrogen receptors. thats all. then you can figure out why people get estrogen sides eventually leading to prolactin sides etc. So you have imbalance of estro/androgen ratio. I can run 1g of test looking bloated with a moon face but still dont leak milk or with limp D...things get complicated with progestins, because you have much harder shutdown from progesterone recptor being activated and at the same time you have increased estrogen receptors (ER). However good news is that it differs from one person to the other, only way to find out is to try it i suppose. My friend loves deca and never runs into gyno problem running with test/dbol on top of it. He only gets shutdown hard so he never finishes the cycle with deca or tren,,,he lets them clear out while running test alone for a month then does PCT.


i loved the last deca run though,,,best anabolic agent so far....i just cant do it anymore due to acne that it causes.

 

[GoneForFuckingEver8]

Cabergoline is ergot derived. Because of this it can affect your heart valves and cause them to leak if you use it a lot.
You're much better off with Pramipexole. Not only does it lower your prolactin levels but it RAISES your natural GH levels by 400% or more.
Note that neither one is for progesterone. They are dopamine agonists that lower your prolactin levels. 99% of the time your problems with using progestins like tren/nandrolone is the increase in prolactin causing your gyno.
There is a long thread about using Pramipexole here.
**broken link removed**

It's very powerful and is used to overcome libido, gyno, and sleep issues when using tren.
We are a sponsor here and we sell it, just for full disclosure.

ha i actually just opened your sponser thread in a new tab and was about to check it out, and i see you are already posting!!! and posting some very useful info!!! thanks

i checked the link you posted and its some good info. i didnt see anything about the GH increasing effects, could you post some info on that please?

 

[Researchstop]

Here is a very good study done on healthy people.

http://www.afboard.com/library/prami-affects.pdf

As you can see Prami increased GH 400% while cutting prolactin in half. This is at .5mg/day.

 

[GoneForFuckingEver8]

Here is a very good study done on healthy people.

http://www.afboard.com/library/prami-affects.pdf

As you can see Prami increased GH 400% while cutting prolactin in half. This is at .5mg/day.

nice chart, thanks for the info.

 

[jdchaffin]

When using Prami for prolactin controle, can you still run an AI or SERM at the same time to combat estrogen?

 

[Researchstop]

When using Prami for prolactin controle, can you still run an AI or SERM at the same time to combat estrogen?

Don't use a SERM. Yes, you absolutely need an AI at the same time.

 

[Swifto]

Cabergoline wont lower progesterone, it will lower prolactin. 2 totally different animals.

RU-486 (abortion pill) will lower progesterone. But its rarely a problem anyhow...

Cabergoline will lower prolactin.

 

[animal eater]

b6 and L-dopa has worked perfect for me.

 

[gungalunga]

Letro can lower progesterone along with estrogen.

Copy and paste from steroid.com:

Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in any steroid.com members who are prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sensitive steroid.com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin& . bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this. (21) It is also wise for Tren users to closely monitor their cholesterol levels, as well as kidney function and liver enzymes, as Tren has the potential to negatively affect all of those functions. Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina dick). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone.

 

[Researchstop]

Just a note so this doesn't get lost...

Tren/deca are progestins. They do not raise your progesterone levels, they substitute for progesterone. Most of the men who have issues with these drugs are getting prolactin side effects, not progesterone side effects. Most men loose their gyno when they lower their prolactin levels while on Tren/Deca. Admittedly, some men will NOT loose their gyno unless they take out the progestin in their cycle.

 

[jdchaffin]

^ so according to the two previous posts if one was to run a test/deca or a test/tren cycle then using letro/prami would cover all the bases of estrogne, progeterone, and prolactin. Just want to make sure I'm understanding clearly.

 

[Macro]

^ so according to the two previous posts if one was to run a test/deca or a test/tren cycle then using letro/prami would cover all the bases of estrogne, progeterone, and prolactin. Just want to make sure I'm understanding clearly.

letrozole or exemestane with pramipexole or similar dopaminergic (cabergoline, piribedil, quinagolide are other options)

it is important to note that while suppressing estrogen and prolactin are the most effective methods of avoiding sides from these compounds, they are not an absolute bar. There are many hormones that can aggravate gynecomastia, however these are the primary ones so they are generally quite effective.