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Anxiety: benzo before gym?

Have you done CBT and NLP? I know for men it can be a vulnerable subject, but I would not be the successful person I am today without it.

The feeling you described earlier of not being able to sit still because of the racing thoughts and anxiousness I full understand as I was once there. I have the ability to be anywhere now at anytime and just disconnect with zero thoughts or that feeling.

It’s an art and takes work, but as someone who’s been there- it’s 💯 possible without a benzo as that just makes you “not care”. Truly being calm is entirely different and takes the weight off you.

That's awesome you were once there but were able to work through it and not have any of those thoughts again. That's what I want too :)

I haven't done any CBT or NLP but, reading into all of that now.
 
A second dose of mag glycinate upon waking does help.
Also make the effort to remember these symptoms are pretty much always worse in the morning.

This was great advice. Thanks. I went ahead and added a second dose of mag glycinate in the AM.
 
I would cut out the caffeine first personally. That stimulates your central nervous system and makes everything 1000x worse. It also causes your body to produce more adrenaline and stimulates the flight or flight response more easily

Guarantee if you cut out the caffeine the problem would significantly improve (not evaporate, but improve)

300mg is also a crapton of caffeine in the morning man, especially with anxiety. No wonder you're in a constant state of panic.

I'd also reccomend a beta blocker over benzos or other addictive compounds, which i believe has already been suggested, but it's a good suggestion. Take low enough of a dose to reduce your heart rate and adrenaline response, but not too high of a dose where it messes with your workouts.

Anxiety is a bitch, trust me I know. Start with removing the caffeine, if it's still there, add the beta blocker. Good luck to you man

I understand what you're saying about cutting the caffeine. Problem is, I'm not resting as much or as well and feel more tired than usual in the morning, probably because I feel drained from the stress. If I cut out the caffeine, my workout is going to suck though what I might try to do is take less and see if I can find a happy medium.

I do take a beta blocker daily (Bystolic) and I'm sure this helps up to a point.
 
I can feel a calming effect within 30' if used sublingually. At this dose no sedation for me but again, consider it as a last resort.
One word on caffeine.
Everybody's telling you to avoid it.
Not so quick.
If you're used to daily consumption of a fair dose of caffeine, dropping your intake too rapidly is going to make things worse.

That's my fear. Plus, feeling low energy while working may not be the best either. Perhaps, reducing the dose is doable.
 
i have experience around 20 drugs. there is only one solution i found. i take baclofen 3 times a day. start with 10mg x 3 a day, increase if needed.
Choose only one SSRI that make you feel good take it in the mornings.Trust me. try this

Thanks for the advice. I've read here before that baclofen can be used as an aid to sleep.

Do you take it 3 x a day for anxiety reasons? How do you feel this could help?
 
How many androgens are you on? You’re probably just in a constant state of fight or flight.

Personally I want a little anxiety and adrenaline in the gym. But at the office etc, my high androgen levels can really cause me to freak out internally, and then I get obvious physical signs. So situationally beta blockers work best for me. Just .5-10mg an hour before I know I need to do a presentation or something. I use propranolol personally. In and out pretty quick.

I much prefer this over anything I used in the past like kpin or Xanax. Which include a host of other issues.




From what I’ve researched years of being highly androgenic I have messed up my natural estrogen, melatonin, and serotonin. So it’s just hard to relax and always feel like I’m going to war 🤣
yup the androgenics can rattle the CNS so you're always in a fight or flight mode. good for the gym but you want to be parasympathetic post-workout. perhaps dry 20-30mg cbd iolsate drops under your tongue to relax alongside magnesium bisclyncinate.
 
Have the same issue and no sleepiness while working out. Now I recently added Selank and semax and am able to cut dose on benzos down and have a great workout.

Interesting about the Selank and Semax. Do you take them in the AM?
 
I'm the same over 8 years prescribed 10mg 4 a day for all my herniated disc's I take half of one and go to the gym right awake and on fire to pump up never a need to increase the amount. And I don't give a fuck what anyone says or think either. I have anxiety too and get script xanax and only take it when I needed it. And had one idiot here tell me one day try to get off it and see what happens. My reply which is true I told him bro I gone months sometimes without touching it so I don't know wtf you talking about. He was trying to tell people once you get on them your hooked. Bunch of no Brainers think everybody is an addict or hooked for life if you touch either one .glad you think like wise brother

When you take 5mg before the gym you feel on fire? Full of energy? You feel it helps you with anxiety too?
 
Read through most of this thread...this is a complicated/sticky/uncomfortable topic. But for people saying, "why do you have to take a benzo, just take magnesium glycinate or other calming like supps.." Man I wish it were that easy.

When you're deep into benzos, and I know several who have been, the decision isn't up to you. I wouldn't wish benzo withdrawal on my worst enemy. The feeling of being trapped, you want to get out but you can't. It's kind of like in "the movement phase" of a Quaalude high...at least according to Belfort...it's the feeling of ants in your pants... I HAVE TO MOVE OR ELSE I WILL DIE.

You're probably like, what a wuss, that's not shit..perhaps not, but combine that with muscle tremors, extreme tightness in your chest, your brain is scramble so you feel like a crazy person, and you're just fucked.

I've even RAN OFF a plane just before takeoff because my anxiety was so bad..and people thing its all sunshine and rainbows.

HOWEVER, I had a good buddy here who was doing 3-4 bars a day (6 to 8mg) for months...he went to a xanax detox center, put him on 0.5mg kpin AM/PM and he feels "normal" he said. Full transparency, cuz that's what PM is meant for..kpins have helped me a lot too.

Zans are way worse cuz the half life is shorter so you will feel like you need to re-dose more frequently which leads to... you guessed, a deeper and deeper hole into addiction.

Now what was the question ? lol. benzos before the gym.

NOT MEDICAL ADVICE (no shit) but ya a benzo such as kpin, ativan, or the occassional 1/4 zan will absolutely help your workout. You won't have that tightness feeling in your chest and you're way more relaxed, which allows people like me who actually have severe panic/anxiety issues to gather their thoughts, and focus solely on the workout. I've had my best workouts on benzos...but I'm prescribed kpins, we're not over here just popping bars of zan and hitting the gym.

But anyone who has unfortunately gone down the benzo path, you can get out or stay in but whatever you do, I wish you luck, cuz it can get real real bad.

Thanks for sharing this info. I think we all agree that benzos are not a route we should take unless absolutely necessary and, of course, only temporarily if possible.
 
Believe it or not..chamomile preworkout is awesome. Take some chamomile flowers..grind em up to powder..then take 2 heaping teaspoons of powder either in tea or toss and wash and a bit of caffeine with that and this way you get to avoid drugs. Chamomile is an amazing vasodilator and does a host of beneficial stuff to body (like super strong antioxidant) and you feel awesome you didn't have to take anything that is going to potentially cloud your mind like the nasty script stuffn(which is all poison IMHO). And chamomile is so calming, relaxing but pumped! At least my in experience.

Taking notes, thanks.
 
I take clonazepam for my anxiety as well. I have taken them before I train and I have absolutely no issues. It does not make me drowsy it calms my nerves. It’s really frustrating because I go a few days and feel fine and then the next day I’m nervous. My heart is racing and I have no idea why. If you need your medication, just take it that’s what it’s for. Hang in there, buddy.

For me I think it's becoming a psychological issue. I feel that as soon as I wake up, I start thinking that I'm going to have an anxiety attack and all of a sudden, my heart is racing, and I feel panicky. Yesterday morning I felt much calmer, then this morning I was very anxious again.
 
That's my fear. Plus, feeling low energy while working may not be the best either. Perhaps, reducing the dose is doable.
Dropping caffeine "might" help a bit, but only with a slow progressive reduction, otherwise other (and possibly worse) problems may arise.
 
I take 5mgs of hydrocodone before I lift. It obviously helps with all of my injuries but it also gives you a euphoric “I don’t give a fuck” mentality. Most people associate pain meds with being zonked out but I actually get euphoric energy from opiates and mix that with caffeine and some pump and I’m good to go.

Opiates are a hot button topic - I’ve gotten criticized before for bringing this up but I don’t really give a fuck what some judgemental losers on this board think. If you can manage to take opiates long term without ever having to increase the dose then you should be fine. It’s people with predispositions for addiction that end up going down a dark path - 15 years and I’ve never gone above 5-10mgs in a single serving.
This is how I feel as well. I think it happens when you have long term use. I’m going on 12 plus years. I just need to be care when it masks the pain so I don’t injure/ re injure myself
 
Have you tried a consistent practice of meditation and mindfulness? Not like "I tried that a few times", but a real concentrated effort?

Mental health takes REAL work, and that work is going to be really difficult for you in the beginning, I expect. It's also worth it. Not saying I'm perfectly calm and don't have inner turmoil, but the turmoil is manageable and I can shut it down when I recognize it.

Doesn't happen overnight though and there aren't shortcuts. CBD and stuff can give you a little relief while you do that work.
Brother this is so true!! Really expressed my feelings about it
 
Hear me out... Benzos are the worst drug created. One of the highest harm rates if you just ignore overdoses. That's why this new dope with fentanyl is so bad, because they mix in research chem benzos into it, so the user is in a permanent black out from the benzos when they're just trying to get their opiate fix.
Anytime you see a news story of someone doing some braindead nonsense, its because of a benzo. Sure booze might be in the mix, but its the benzo, its not opiate, its not meth, its from having the blackout equivalent of half a bottle of liquor in a quick and easy tablet form, the worst part is you are so blacked out, but don't know you are blacked out, you have 0 anxiety to even begin to worry about it. Hell, you even decide a beer or two wouldnt hurt, since youre feeling so good, and the effect on GABA is similar to alcohol, so your body thinks its drinking anyway.

How this class of drugs work, is not by magically targeting some anxiety chemical, its by basically deadening all neurological activity in the brain.
I took a prescription for Xanax for 2 months, I was in my garage looking at my motorcycle I hadn't rode in a while, I tried to imagine riding it, and i realized I couldn't even remember how to ride it, i couldn't remember the steps of clutching and shifting in my head. There are stories of guys taking a little prescribed Xanax per day from a doc and take it when they come home from work to chill out, then one day the pharmacy is out of stock and they go a day without it, get withdrawals and realize they cant remember anything from the past 6 months, that they've been like on some sort of auto pilot.

not counting rebound anxiety from this drug, but the things you may do on it may cause repercussions that will ACTUALLY cause anxiety and stress.
I'm a clean record straight laced dude, In one month I managed to have 3 interactions with law enforcement, spent my savings on planet ticket and airbnb to see my ex across the country. I don't even remember it. this is the tamest thing I did that month....How the hell was I at the airport? You lose all sense of self preservation... This is all not counting the terrible withdrawl that can be deadly and is said to be worse than from opiates. There are girls in college getting prescribed footballs of xanax to deal with "anxiety", binge drinking every night and taking the xanax cause the doctor says to take them. You get foggier and foggier and this leads to more anxiety, then the forgetfullness and fogginess leads to apathy and performing poorly in life, this creates more anxiety.

Don't even try to imagine how many people off'd themselves or off'd their family while blacked out from benzos without even knowing it.

The whole reason this flys under the radar is because it doesn't make you high like other drugs, it just makes you dumb and numb, its very easy to hide, even from your spouse, its prescription, you dont need to take a lot, and everyone has anxiety now.

On a positive note, that may be helpful to you and others with anxiety,
By chance I was prescribed Metropolol by an ER doc during a hospital stay for an unrelated condition. He noticed my heart rate was high and I was on edge, I said its been like that for years,
he simply prescribed 25mg Metoprolol it like it was no big deal an said this will fix it
it chilled me out, not like a drug drug, but way more relaxed. I'm guessing I had some sort of permanent cortisol/stress response and the metropolol fixed it. I wasn't rushing around being paranoid thinking something awful is about to happen any moment anymore. It put me in a more sympathetic (or parasympathetic?) state. I wish I was prescribed it earlier.

I took it for 3 years, and I stopped taking it about 8 months ago, and my heart rate didn't go back up to where it was before, neither did my BP actually.
Man good for you! I was out on Xanax for insomnia!! Yep! 12-13 years and I finally decided to take myself off it. God the withdrawal was a nightmare. Cold sweats for literally DAYS, my mind was racing 1000 miles an hour and no focus. Had panic attacks. Life is so much better off it tho
 
I'm sure many can imagine going through this is not fun, but whose who have experienced the feeling can surely relate to how awful the feeling is.

In your case, you prefer Xanax to Clonazepam if taken before a workout? No drowsiness at all?
I wouldn’t wish a panic attack on anyone
 
Sounds a lot like alcohol, yet people still drink it everyday and you don't even need a script. 😂

Everyone here knows that things can be abused and used irresponsibly. Not sure anyone needs to debate that. Look at where you are.
True people abuse food and become obese even. Take too many aspirin and you can kill yourself! Just about everything, even legalized things… can become fatal sometimes
 
Believe it or not..chamomile preworkout is awesome. Take some chamomile flowers..grind em up to powder..then take 2 heaping teaspoons of powder either in tea or toss and wash and a bit of caffeine with that and this way you get to avoid drugs. Chamomile is an amazing vasodilator and does a host of beneficial stuff to body (like super strong antioxidant) and you feel awesome you didn't have to take anything that is going to potentially cloud your mind like the nasty script stuffn(which is all poison IMHO). And chamomile is so calming, relaxing but pumped! At least my in experience.
Thanks I’m going to try this out
 
It’s so crazy how these medications affect people so differently. Hydro’s don’t make me feel any different and do nothing for pain. I’ve had 6 operations on my shoulders and knees and was given oxycodone for postoperative pain. I use them when I needed to, but not one time have I ever felt euphoric or high.
I get sick and tired of the general public and doctors now thinking that you we will get addicted if you use them. I’m walking around with a shoulder that needs to be replaced that hurts like hell. I can’t have the replacement procedure because I won’t be able to do my job. Yet when I go in nursing homes and look at a patient’s medication’s, damn near every one of them are on a narcotic. It just pisses me off that I’m a functioning member of society who needs the medication to provide relief and can’t get it. But if I’m 70 in a damn assisted living home, they’ll load me up like a damn piggy bank with coins.. so where is the concern about “addiction“ when it comes to senior citizens????
Yes great point. I have 5 blown. Discs and spinal steNosis soooo I understand living in pain every day. I just go with what my body gives me each day . Some days I’m great and at the gym. Other days I wear a back brace all damn day. Some days I’m hunched over using a cane …. Some days it’s a walkers….. when it’s at its worst I’m bedridden! Yet I’m still working two jobs and donating plasma to get by in this shitty ass economy. To young to retire and if I get disability I can touch my pension how the fuck I gonna survive then?? Especially if I’m doing all this to scrape by. Tara good job even, a career.. I’m a mailman. But you can’t touch shit till you’re 69 and I’m 56 . So I just keep putting one foot in Front of the other . Didn’t mean to go on a tangent lol 😂 just saying I totally understand living in pain daily
 

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