any downsides (other than slow) of using a 27g needle to inject oil based steroids?

[PsyT]

title says it all, any downside I am unaware of (I'm aware you have to inject longer since the needle diameter is smaller) to injecting oil with a 27g needle?

benefits I see: less scar tissue

 

[drob29]

As long as your a patient man, there is no issue, and you will help reduce scar tissue. But, if your pushing harder on the plunger (because your hand is cramped and its been 3 min since you stuck and its getting uncomfortable, for example) then IMO you can actually create more scar tissue when using a smaller guage needle then compared to using a normal size (say 23 ga). Think of a garden hose and a large pile of sand. If the water flows out of the hose at "slow to normal" rate then the sand gets moderatley displaced. But if you put your thumb over the end of the hose then you the sand gets blasted out of the way and displaced quickly. The thumb over the hose is you pushing hard on a 27 ga pin, the oil is being forced out at a higher rate will actually cause more scar tissue than a larger 23 ga pin with low pressure.

thats how I always thought of this issue, and no I dont have any medical studies or published reference material to back it up. But I think the garden hose in the sand example "keeps it simple".

If your truely patient, then yes you can use a 27 ga pin, take a long time to stick, and theoretically end up with less scar tissue.

"my 2 cents"

 

[Quad-smack]

Warm your oil based product under hot tap water and it will go smoother/faster...

 

[tenny]

well......with smaller gauge, comes shorter length

the only issue for me would be depth

 

[maldorf]

Really bad idea IMO. I would not go smaller than 25 gauage max, and thats too small really. I now use a 22 gauge to draw and shoot. I used to use a 22 to draw and then a 23 to shoot. Like others said, using a 27 gauge is going to take several minutes. Your hand will actually cramp up and youll be sweating bullets trying to push oil through something so small. Like someone else said, it might even cause more damage than a bigger gauge needle. Reason for more damage would be the fact that you are pressing so hard on the plunger that you will occasionally end up shifting that needle around in a semicircular motion in your tissue. It is almost impossible to keep the needle motionless when you are pushing so damn hard.

 

[greaser]

As long as your a patient man, there is no issue, and you will help reduce scar tissue. But, if your pushing harder on the plunger (because your hand is cramped and its been 3 min since you stuck and its getting uncomfortable, for example) then IMO you can actually create more scar tissue when using a smaller guage needle then compared to using a normal size (say 23 ga). Think of a garden hose and a large pile of sand. If the water flows out of the hose at "slow to normal" rate then the sand gets moderatley displaced. But if you put your thumb over the end of the hose then you the sand gets blasted out of the way and displaced quickly. The thumb over the hose is you pushing hard on a 27 ga pin, the oil is being forced out at a higher rate will actually cause more scar tissue than a larger 23 ga pin with low pressure.

thats how I always thought of this issue, and no I dont have any medical studies or published reference material to back it up. But I think the garden hose in the sand example "keeps it simple".

If your truely patient, then yes you can use a 27 ga pin, take a long time to stick, and theoretically end up with less scar tissue.

"my 2 cents"

yup thats a really good way of putting that but for me 25 -23 is best any smaller than that your hand will cramp and if your shooting it your self you might move while injecting and make it more pain full

 

[Stewie Griffon]

As long as your a patient man, there is no issue, and you will help reduce scar tissue. But, if your pushing harder on the plunger (because your hand is cramped and its been 3 min since you stuck and its getting uncomfortable, for example) then IMO you can actually create more scar tissue when using a smaller guage needle then compared to using a normal size (say 23 ga). Think of a garden hose and a large pile of sand. If the water flows out of the hose at "slow to normal" rate then the sand gets moderatley displaced. But if you put your thumb over the end of the hose then you the sand gets blasted out of the way and displaced quickly. The thumb over the hose is you pushing hard on a 27 ga pin, the oil is being forced out at a higher rate will actually cause more scar tissue than a larger 23 ga pin with low pressure.

thats how I always thought of this issue, and no I dont have any medical studies or published reference material to back it up. But I think the garden hose in the sand example "keeps it simple".

If your truely patient, then yes you can use a 27 ga pin, take a long time to stick, and theoretically end up with less scar tissue.

"my 2 cents"

i must agree, the length of time would increase so much as to cause more damage, unless you had someone else with a steady hand helping you out. date a nurse

 

[bobbym17]

22

I use a 22 to draw and shoot. I use to use 1 to draw, change and 1 to shoot this was painless. now i use the same 1 to do both. it is a little tuffer to get through into the muscle but I feel less soreness the day or two after it may be i am more use to it but in my mind i think there is less soreness

 

[Myck]

27g? You must have the patience of a saint. I use 25's and it takes forever, even after heating the syringe/oil.