benefits to kickstarting w/orals if not on a schedule

[NightWanderer]

For the typical non-pro athlete who doesn't have weight/strength/size requirements to meet or tests to pass by any kind of deadline, etc is there any real benefit to kickstarting w/ orals when on a longer (12+ wks cyp/enan) test cycle? Sure, you'd make your initial gains faster, but then in the following weeks would your gains from the test not be as spectacular because you've already soaked up half of your gain potential in those first few weeks with orals? If that's the case it makes me think that the only benefit is that visible results come sooner with a kickstart. BUT, if you would have made those same gains over the next couple of months it seems like a pointless stress on the liver for your avg gym rat on a cycle. would I be correct in this line of thinking or is there more to it?

 

[bigraf]

Bump! your line of thinking is correct. Stick with the injectables and save your liver for your future cycles. There's always a future cycle

 

[tkav1980]

i do believe orals have theyre place. but for the average gym rat so to speak i dont see a need, i dont really see a need even for the local level competitor. yeah jay, ronnie, wolf, might find them invalueable but for your average aas user, i dont see a need to place the extra stress on the system.

 

[Quad-smack]

I agree. IMO, non competitors don't need to think about using oral agents. But we, especially the younger among us, tend to be impatient.
There is a higher price to pay with orals.

 

[kbtoy]

IMO the risk orals pose is overstated. IMO many of the OTC steroids they have out now a days are more risky than say D-bol or Var. Something like that.
now if you don't feel the need to use orals you don't have to. You could always use another faster acting inject to kickstart or if you're not worried about kickstarting you could always use an oral later in the cycle. Say start about week 6 if you're running a 12 weeker. If you're a newbie a Test E only cycle would have you growing nicely. You could put on 15 lbs easy IMO.

 

[drob29]

I agree. IMO, non competitors don't need to think about using oral agents. But we, especially the younger among us, tend to be impatient.
There is a higher price to pay with orals.

I use dbol, not more than 4 weeks, and not more than 50 mg ED. I enjoy the added strength and I dont bloat much from dbol. I have also run mid cycle dbol as well. And, as an added bonus, dbol gives me a sense of well being.

oh, and my liver values always return to my basline.

IMO people who run higer doses over longer periods are where the price is paid. On other boards 6-8- week dbol kicks are the norm. Thats where the problems arise.

"my 2 cents"

 

[JuiceJunkie]

as far as stress on your system if you jumpstart with something like anavar from what i have read the stress is very minimal. IMO

 

[NightWanderer]

as far as stress on your system if you jumpstart with something like anavar from what i have read the stress is very minimal. IMO

yeah, but what I'm getting at is, is there any further benefit for the amateur athlete, or is it purely a luxury for the impatient?

Let's say joe bodybuilder is either new to steroids, or at least isn't overly jaded from long term use, and he decides to do a cycle:

If he would have stuck with the standard 500mg test E for 12 weeks, he would gain let's say, 25 lbs total by week 12. He had to wait a few weeks for it to kick in, but he gained 25 lbs.

Now what if this same guy is eager to put on the lbs. asap, so he kick starts with some dbol or anadrol? He blows up right away, gaining 18 lbs the first month.

Now, after the first month, he drops the dbol and continues his cycle. Do you feel he still would have gained 25 lbs and simply got most of it sooner rather than later? or do you feel that because of starting with an oral maybe he could hit closer to 30 -35 lbs? And if he did gain further weight because he got off to a more rapid start, do you suppose (assuming he was under his natural limits) he could expect to keep more weight post cycle?

to summarize, I just get the feeling that orals simply speed your initial gains but don't necessarily give you any additional pounds. I would also think the faster you gain, the harder it is to keep post cycle wIf I'm right in this way of thinking, then even a gentle compound like var seems like an unnecessary waste of money and liver health. Now, I'm sure certain compunds have specific uses to prove their worth, such as someone like myself who is extremely prone to edema using winny to keep water weight down, etc, but purely in terms of gaining weight and keeping it I think they might be a total waste unless you refused to inject for some reason.

 

[anabolic_hippie]

competitor or not its all about how big you wanna get some ppl just dont wanna compete but wanna get huge and some ppl compete so you utilize and take advantage of every possible anabolic agent you can get your hands on. but for a person who wants to put on some weight and can be content at a weight for sure stick with your more healthier options you would be dumb not too. i think the biggest problem is ppl alway pick oral cause they are scared of needles (shouldnt be doing gear anyway) or just cheap, orals can be cheaper forsure.

that said if i was doing a cycle with long acting ester gear i would rather wait till the gear hits me before i start taking the oral i personally have always found better results when combining things together seems they synergenically work together but then again this is all theoretical ideas i have put together based on my experience everyone is different.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

kickstarting.... LOL


good lord... let the drugs work for pete's sake and then maybe ADD the "kickstart" later and take it up a notch. Do you have to add some size and strength by next week? Hell, take some cheque drops, you'll be stronger in a few hours! Jeez...

It's all internet bullshit. What the hell good is one drug reaching high blood levels while another is leaving your system???

 

[OuchThatHurts]

as far as stress on your system if you jumpstart with something like anavar from what i have read the stress is very minimal. IMO

Where did you read that? Anavar for a kickstart?

I use dbol, not more than 4 weeks, and not more than 50 mg ED. I enjoy the added strength and I dont bloat much from dbol. I have also run mid cycle dbol as well. And, as an added bonus, dbol gives me a sense of well being.

oh, and my liver values always return to my basline.

IMO people who run higer doses over longer periods are where the price is paid. On other boards 6-8- week dbol kicks are the norm. Thats where the problems arise.

"my 2 cents"

What problems? 8 weeks vs. 4 weeks? 2 months vs. 1 month? Tell me someone who had problems while taking methandrostenalone for two months. And what are your baseline liver values? Who does your testing for you to check these values?