Best way to run the "Big Three" for mass?

[booey]

What's the best protocol for GH + Slin + IGF-1 lr3 for mass gains?

I was thinking something along these lines:

Slin - AM + Pre-workout + Post-workout
GH - AM + Post-workout (large dose 3x/week only)
IGF-1 lr3 - AM + Pre-workout

In conjunction with a moderate AAS cycle, high clean calories, and progressive training program.

How should all three be shot in the AM? All at once? Or GH first, and then 30 minutes later the other two? I keep reading conflicting ideas.

 

[plang]

I run a similar schedule and it works well..I think in an ideal world u use 4-8ius pre wo humulin r sub q...and than 2-3ius humalog IM pwo.

 

[Quad-smack]

Probably the better synergistic stack would be GH, Slin & Test... Combined they up-regulate the others effects and increase endogenous IGF & MGF (MGF being the more effective of the two).
Too much IGF is not a good thing...

 

[booey]

Too much IGF is not a good thing...

Why?

 

[plang]

It can be...but you don't need as much gh...and my personal experience for me at least slin/gh/test is 1+1+1=5....slin/gh/test/igf-1 is 1+1+1+1=9.....I can run half the dose of androgens with igf-1/slin/gh...YMMV

 

[booey]

plang, how long do your run the gh in large doses for mass? 4 weeks? 8 weeks? I'm assuming that just like everything, the body will become desensitized to an extent with prolonged use of gh.

 

[plang]

The most I've personally used is 5ius a day...I ran that with 5-7 ius pre and post workout humulin for about 8 weeks...I made my biggest strides with igf-1 added....

 

[Quad-smack]

Why?

Directly linked with increased risk for cancer...

 

[Ness]

Probably the better synergistic stack would be GH, Slin & Test... Combined they up-regulate the others effects and increase endogenous IGF & MGF (MGF being the more effective of the two).
Too much IGF is not a good thing...

Agreed. Using GH+Test+Slin skyrockets IGF. IGFLR3 is really a waste anyway...stacked or by itself. jmo.

 

[plang]

Agreed. Using GH+Test+Slin skyrockets IGF. IGFLR3 is really a waste anyway...stacked or by itself. jmo.

To each their own...I didn't get results with igf-1 until I used 100mcgs a day.

 

[Pharm_Fed]

Directly linked with increased risk for cancer...

Source or study showing this?

 

[Ness]

Source or study showing this?

Well, tons. Do a little research for yourself, its not hard to find. In fact, if you understand IGF in itself you can use deductive reasoning to see how its very plausible.

 

[Pharm_Fed]

Well, tons. Do a little research for yourself, its not hard to find. In fact, if you understand IGF in itself you can use deductive reasoning to see how its very plausible.

I just figured you would know a link off-hand. I know it causes hyperplasia so if you have cancer cells it can accelerate their growth, but I haven't seen any studies showing that high levels of IGF actually causes cancer.

 

[Quad-smack]

Hmmm, did I use the word cause? Nope.
Malignancies not arrested by the immune system can proliferate very rapidly when high levels of IGF are present.
Just google IGF + cancer and be ready for a couple months worth of reading...

 

[Seabiscuit Hogg]

Hmmm, did I use the word cause? Nope.
Malignancies not arrested by the immune system can proliferate very rapidly when high levels of IGF are present.
Just google IGF + cancer and be ready for a couple months worth of reading...

Ya, but don't that implicate juice and GH also since they jack igf?

 

[Quad-smack]

Ya, but don't that implicate juice and GH also since they jack igf?

To a small degree, yes.
Understand that test can elevate IGF levels. GH also can elevate IGF levels. Sane amounts will most likely only elevate IGF to high normal levels.
But, run large amounts of test, GH, slin & IGF and you will most likely end up with supraphysiological levels.
Back to my original statement of "too much IGF isn't a good thing."

 

[Quad-smack]

To the Op - I'm sorry that my comments have hijacked your thread. Hope your experiment goes well.
Peace
Q-S

 

[Pharm_Fed]

Hmmm, did I use the word cause? Nope.
Malignancies not arrested by the immune system can proliferate very rapidly when high levels of IGF are present.
Just google IGF + cancer and be ready for a couple months worth of reading...

Fair enough. I thought that's what your post implied. I apologize for misinterpreting it.

 

[booey]

To the Op - I'm sorry that my comments have hijacked your thread. Hope your experiment goes well.
Peace
Q-S

No worries, this is what we're all here for - to learn.

I'm still running the IGF, though!

 

[SpartanLabs]

GET IT BOOEY..

get your swell on.. after all its bulking season..

-Sparta