yeah very true buffbaca.........however like many of us know bodybuilders dont do it for the women. i think dave is right......i think a lot of people hate on dude because he thinks outside the box for HIMSELF. i have always been a fan of him, and i hope to one day compete against him in superheavies. i think many people are affraid of something new or foreign because they dont know much about it. truth is.........he is actually helping himself out by resting and getting "fat" as people claim. truth is, that is his original body structure. he was a football player and powerlifter and was up to 300 lbs at 19 years old at 20%..........then all hell broke loose when he dialed it in with diet, training and supplements. genetically he has better genetics than all the olympias for pure muscle mass. he may not have the cuts and striations like levrone or gaspari, but he sure will clown dudes when he steps up there at that young of an age and have more muscle. he is further along than jay cutler at this age, and if he wins nationals he will be the youngest besides jay to earn a pro card...................he is the next generation of bodybuilders. the advancements in technology and pharms have unleashed uber beasts because we are evn more educated that before. i am young too, 23........i am nearly 300 pounds at 15% now and i dont mind the haters one bit........he will represent the freaks who say u dont have to look contest ready yearround and risk dialysis and have tons of health problems......EDUCATION IS KEY!!!1