Bloodwork - Do AAS raise test levels?

[Phidias]

Was asked this question the other day but didn't know what to reply. So I searched the topic but then again couldn't find a definitive answer on the subject, some saying yes others no. Even one of my close friends who's a doc was unable to settle the argument...

So let's say you need HRT due to natural low test levels and obviously don't supplement with testosterone.

Would taking other non-specifically tested for AAS show up in your bloodwork as increased test levels?

OR do just exogenous test intake increase testosterone blood concentration?

 

[KillerStack]

JUST testosterone.

The other analogues, tren, deca, dbol etc etc do not. If you go in for blood work loaded up on tren and deca for example your test levels will be very low to nonexistent.

This is a very basic question but you're right, lots of people are confused about this.

Actually, I remember arguing about this with some "vet" recently so I told him to ask William Llewellyn since he didn't believe me. The "vet" claimed all steroids converted to testosterone. Here's Bill's answer:

I can't think off the top of my head (it is very early here and I haven't woken up 100% yet) any steroid other than testosterone esters that really convert to testosterone. Most common modifications to steroids such as methyl groups and ring dehydrogenation are fairly stable. Methyltestosterone, for example, will not yield testosterone.

 

[Phidias]

This is a very basic question but you're right, lots of people are confused about this.

My first thoughts were "just testosterone" too, but since all anabolic steroids are to some extent test derivatives, it's no wonder that so many guys question themselves about it...

For instance here's a post by Paul Bunyan in an old thread:


Don't shit yourselves, it will all show as an increased test level. It happened to a friend of mine who was supplementing his HRT. Test level came back at over 4000ng/dl.

PB

 

[KillerStack]

My first thoughts were "just testosterone" too, but since all anabolic steroids are to some extent test derivatives, it's no wonder that so many guys question themselves about it...

For instance here's a post by Paul Bunyan in an old thread:


Don't shit yourselves, it will all show as an increased test level. It happened to a friend of mine who was supplementing his HRT. Test level came back at over 4000ng/dl.

PB

Perhaps this guys gear was fake (test instead of whatever it was supposed to be). That's certainly a possibility if he was using black market gear.

There's tons of studies tracking test levels when being administered steroids like nandrolone and oxandrolone. Obviously the test distinguishes between test and the various AAS.

For example:
**broken link removed**

The only steroid that I've heard of converting to test is EQ but it probably isn't true. Can't say for sure since I'm not a chemist. It was "Big Cat" from bb.com (who wrote the steroid profiles there) who made the claim that boldenone converts to test. William Llewellyn however doesn't believe it does.

 

[morepain]

I think the key is as was stated above, I supplement my 100mg test HRT dose with 200mg deca weekly and have had no problems, but my deca is pharmacy derived. Alot of UG deca is just test with another label. I mean from a manufacturing standpoint its alot easier to buy a kilo of test powder and label it all kinds of things and truth be known only experienced vets would ever know the difference.

 

[saudades]

Certain AAS will increase baseline test levels although I doubt very much, tren ace is one of them.

 

[KillerStack]

Certain AAS will increase baseline test levels although I doubt very much, tren ace is one of them.

Which ones?

 

[saudades]

Which ones?

As I said above, trenbolone acetate is one that will do it. Even deca will do it a little. Deca used to be prescribed for HRT, but it was discontinued. I know there are others, but I don't know the full list.

 

[KillerStack]

As I said above, trenbolone acetate is one that will do it. Even deca will do it a little. Deca used to be prescribed for HRT, but it was discontinued. I know there are others, but I don't know the full list.

I don't think so. I'd need to see some type of reference for this. All the experts, docs, chemists, doping experts, HRT docs etc I've asked say they do not. As you can see in the link in my post Deca will make your test levels plummet immediately. That Deca has been used for HRT has nothing to do with it really. Halotestin and Proviron have been used for hypogonadism too but they won't convert to or increase test. They are simply androgens that share some of the effects of testosterone.

 

[Chim Chim]

Halotestin and Proviron have been used for hypogonadism too but they won't convert to or increase test. They are simply androgens that share some of the effects of testosterone.

Just curious, how does halotestin and proviron effect hypogonadism, besides being a supplemental androgen source. Proviron decreases SHGB which increases free test levels. Is this the mechanism of action? i don't know much about halo.

 

[Massive G]

I don't think so. I'd need to see some type of reference for this. All the experts, docs, chemists, doping experts, HRT docs etc I've asked say they do not. As you can see in the link in my post Deca will make your test levels plummet immediately. That Deca has been used for HRT has nothing to do with it really. Halotestin and Proviron have been used for hypogonadism too but they won't convert to or increase test. They are simply androgens that share some of the effects of testosterone.

I agree.

The only way non testosterone hormones will raise the blood levels of test is if they are cross contaminated with test itself.

 

[KillerStack]

Just curious, how does halotestin and proviron effect hypogonadism, besides being a supplemental androgen source. Proviron decreases SHGB which increases free test levels. Is this the mechanism of action? i don't know much about halo.

They are just a "supplemental androgen source". The PDR says Halotestin is a replacement due to symptoms of androgen deficiency. Though I don't know why any doc would prescribe these instead of test itself.

 

[oldfella]

Non testoterone based as will not show elevated test levels, many here are correct only test itself will do this. Now with proviron as was pointed out, will not elevate test levels. It simply allows more free test into the system which can then be picked in in a blood test for testosterone, but the proviron did not elevate these levels, it simply blocked shbg thus allowing more circulating or free test. The only way the other aas compounds will show up is if they are actually tested for such as nandrolone etc.

 

[Swifto]

Non testoterone based as will not show elevated test levels, many here are correct only test itself will do this. Now with proviron as was pointed out, will not elevate test levels. It simply allows more free test into the system which can then be picked in in a blood test for testosterone, but the proviron did not elevate these levels, it simply blocked shbg thus allowing more circulating or free test. The only way the other aas compounds will show up is if they are actually tested for such as nandrolone etc.

Proviron can raise testosterone levels adjusting the estrogen:testosterone ratio. How much, I have no idea. I know Proviron didnt do an awful lot for estrogenic sides, for me anyway. There are lots of conflicting studies on Proviron (Mesterolone). Some stating it raised LH slightly, others saying its suppressive.

 

[Phidias]

All the experts, docs, chemists, doping experts, HRT docs etc I've asked say they do not.

The first thing that indeed comes to mind is the THG scandal... if Conte's steroid had converted itself into test, Marion Jones and others sprinters would have ended up positive in the doping tests they had to face during their career...

 

[Golgo13]

JUST testosterone.

The other analogues, tren, deca, dbol etc etc do not. If you go in for blood work loaded up on tren and deca for example your test levels will be very low to nonexistent.
...

I have first hand experience with this being NOT true. Any anabolic androgenic steroid will spike test levels.

 

[saudades]

I don't think so. I'd need to see some type of reference for this. All the experts, docs, chemists, doping experts, HRT docs etc I've asked say they do not. As you can see in the link in my post Deca will make your test levels plummet immediately. That Deca has been used for HRT has nothing to do with it really. Halotestin and Proviron have been used for hypogonadism too but they won't convert to or increase test. They are simply androgens that share some of the effects of testosterone.

I see, and that makes sense that it wouldn't convert. I've always thought/heard that other steroids could raise test levels. Maybe it possibly does it in some other way or mechanism for some people. That graph probably only applies to endogenous hormone levels without them taking anything else. It probably wouldn't have any effect on exogenous hormone. I've been on deca with my HRT, and a couple of my blood tests have shown test levels far over the limit.

If you have normal test levels to begin with, it sounds like you could in essence take a large dose of deca, and then after about four days go have your blood tested to get the doctor to put you on HRT, right? I bet a lot of guys could do that to get some extra testosterone--a small "cycle" condoned by the doctor and paid for by insurance.

 

[Massive G]

I know many who have used deca Eq ten and or dbol to lower test levels (and retain mass) when coming off high dosed test cycles in order to qualify for HRT. This resulted in even lower hypogonadic levels in their blood tests.
you must know the source and content of your gear as a lot of gear made by clandestine labs can be cross contaminated with small amounts of test and vice versa.

 

[KillerStack]

I have first hand experience with this being NOT true. Any anabolic androgenic steroid will spike test levels.

Tell me more. There is no way this is true.

 

[KillerStack]

The first thing that indeed comes to mind is the THG scandal... if Conte's steroid had converted itself into test, Marion Jones and others sprinters would have ended up positive in the doping tests they had to face during their career...

Exactly. In fact, they did transdermal testosterone/epitestosterone (the cream) with the THG so as not to tip off the testers that they were taking AAS. Not because the THG converted to test but because rock bottom test levels would be suspicious.