Bulking Cycles Vs. Cutter Cycles

[bigguns078]

Why is there a standard of any (Test Enan/Test Cyp, EQ, DECA, Anadrol, D-bol) when bulking..... As apposed to the typical cutters of any (test prop, masteron, winny, tren, anavar, primo)...

Why couldn't you run a typical cutter stack while bulking and get the same results?? The only added benefit i can see with a bulking cycle is water retention, which would lead to increased strength..

On a cutter cycle there is little to no concern for estrogen related sides, no water bloat, and "what you see is what you get" gains..

 

[pesty4077]

You can taking the bulking and eliminate bloating through letro.

 

[mrsoul]

you could. diet is what dictates the typical, " bulk or cut". many drugs that are considered bulking drugs are used pre-contest and just dropped a few weeks out due to water retention.

 

[oldfella]

I have never believed in bulking or cutting drugs. You can get rock hard on test of any kind. It is all diet related. Bulking is a myth as far as I am concerned and an excuse for getting fat.
You have offseason and in season. So you adjust your diet to get into show condition, use the same compounds that built mass to begin with.

 

[bigguns078]

Ok... So why would you ever run test enan. or test cyp. over test prop. if everything is just diet related? Other than more frequent injections, test prop. has alot less water retention.

 

[oldfella]

Ok... So why would you ever run test enan. or test cyp. over test prop. if everything is just diet related? Other than more frequent injections, test prop. has alot less water retention.

Easy, test prop works faster, is in and out of your system faster, will not generally aromatize as much as longer esters will, can yeild slightly faster results and is easier to maintain steady levels than with longer esters. But everything else including water retention is diet related! Oh and the reason to run longer esters is as you already stated. EOD shots get old real quick!

 

[alecaf]

I have never believed in bulking or cutting drugs. You can get rock hard on test of any kind. It is all diet related. Bulking is a myth as far as I am concerned and an excuse for getting fat.
You have offseason and in season. So you adjust your diet to get into show condition, use the same compounds that built mass to begin with.

OF I've seen you preach this before and i can't tell you how right this is. Ever since learning this the only compound i use is test and maybe one other compound (sometimes, rarely) while adjusting my diet and cardio. But still stay lean and stay away from bloat. Like B-boy says: bodybuilding is not a sprint its a marathon.

 

[VNV]

The primary difference between "bulking" and "cutting" gear, in my mind, is that cutting gear doesn't aromatize testosterone into estrogen, or does so at a very low rate. The aromatization will cause increased estrogen, which in turn causes more water retention and fat storage. It's not always true, but generally.

 

[oldfella]

The primary difference between "bulking" and "cutting" gear, in my mind, is that cutting gear doesn't aromatize testosterone into estrogen, or does so at a very low rate. The aromatization will cause increased estrogen, which in turn causes more water retention and fat storage. It's not always true, but generally.

Not ball busting here but curious, Can you please explain the difference between "Cutting Gear" and "Bulking Gear"? SInce just about all AAS is androgenic in nature the possibility of aromatization still occurs. Some people get gyno on Stanozolol!

 

[VNV]

Not to be ball-busting either:

The primary difference between "bulking" and "cutting" gear, in my mind, is that cutting gear doesn't aromatize testosterone into estrogen, or does so at a very low rate. The aromatization will cause increased estrogen, which in turn causes more water retention and fat storage. It's not always true, but generally.

Not ball busting here but curious, Can you please explain the difference between "Cutting Gear" and "Bulking Gear"? SInce just about all AAS is androgenic in nature the possibility of aromatization still occurs. Some people get gyno on Stanozolol!

 

[oldfella]

Not to be ball-busting either:

My point is there is no such thing as bulking or cutting gear. Bulking or cutting is done with nutrition and not drugs. I can get anyone riped on test and deca. Same as I can bulk anyone up on masterone, stanozolol, primo, or any of the other AAS. It is done with diet, not the drugs.

Maybe splitting hairs here but for the sake of those that want to learn, AAS is AAS. There is a way to eat to get big and a way to eat to drop body fat!

 

[Big Bapper]

Very good post oldfella, should be a sticky in this fourm.

 

[tkav1980]

i look at it like this, unless your going for the Mr. O whats the point of anything besides test and sometimes deca? i think alot of it is unnecessary. im no expert in dieting since i eat whatever i want and tons of it and still cant gain much weight but if i fel likeim getting alittle too bloated or alittle too fat i do know how to adjust some things to change my body comp. without changing drugs. i think the best bulking cycle in the world is tons of food...lol...i dont think anyone even when bulking should go over 15%bodyfat. but i do believe its all diet and not drugs! god i have a lot to learn.

 

[bigguns078]

My point is there is no such thing as bulking or cutting gear. Bulking or cutting is done with nutrition and not drugs. I can get anyone riped on test and deca. Same as I can bulk anyone up on masterone, stanozolol, primo, or any of the other AAS. It is done with diet, not the drugs.

Maybe splitting hairs here but for the sake of those that want to learn, AAS is AAS. There is a way to eat to get big and a way to eat to drop body fat!

Great.. That is the answer i was looking for.. Are there others that agree with OldFella? Cause i know there are alot of people on this board who stick to the general cutting and bulking philosophy.

If it is done with diet, then the AAS part has to be trial and error to see which compounds work the best for you, as far as gains vs. negative sides..

 

[tkav1980]

Great.. That is the answer i was looking for.. Are there others that agree with OldFella? Cause i know there are alot of people on this board who stick to the general cutting and bulking philosophy.

If it is done with diet, then the AAS part has to be trial and error to see which compounds work the best for you, as far as gains vs. negative sides..

doesnt the negative sides thing go along more with dosage as well. i stick with the idea of using the lowest dose possible to get results.

 

[bigguns078]

doesnt the negative sides thing go along more with dosage as well. i stick with the idea of using the lowest dose possible to get results.

Yes.. Dosage plays some role.. But type of compound is very important.. For instance compare these two cycles of equal dosages.. Obviuosly one is more harsh on the system than the other.. Trust me.. I know!!

500 mg Test enanthate and 225 mg trenbolone acetate a week

500 mg Test enanthate and 225 mg primobolan depot a week

 

[sebastien]

Why is there a standard of any (Test Enan/Test Cyp, EQ, DECA, Anadrol, D-bol) when bulking..... As apposed to the typical cutters of any (test prop, masteron, winny, tren, anavar, primo)...

For me you can take muscle without fat with "bulking steroids".

Bulk or Cut depends on THE DIET !

 

[oldfella]

Great.. That is the answer i was looking for.. Are there others that agree with OldFella? Cause i know there are alot of people on this board who stick to the general cutting and bulking philosophy.

If it is done with diet, then the AAS part has to be trial and error to see which compounds work the best for you, as far as gains vs. negative sides..

Just to get a point across let's look at test. Testosterone is highly anabolic as well as androgenic. So that means it will increase protein metabolism and set the body up for gains. Once you get the dose right for you test will absolutely chew through some fat. With the aid of proper nutrition of course. Why do you think you feel warm or hotter than everyone else just sitting around. Because test raises your metabolic rate so this produces heat. Your core temp will rise slightly and this is that hot flushed feeling you have when you are using test. It also means your body is burning calories. Get the diet right and you now have a fat burning furnace. Throw training into the mix and then you set the body up to require more nutrients, feed it the right amounts of proteins, carbs and fats and growth occurs at an accelerated rate. So if you want to get cut and bigger at the same time use test. Just get the diet right and do not go crazy with dose. It can be done.

 

[VNV]

My point is there is no such thing as bulking or cutting gear. Bulking or cutting is done with nutrition and not drugs. I can get anyone riped on test and deca. Same as I can bulk anyone up on masterone, stanozolol, primo, or any of the other AAS. It is done with diet, not the drugs.

Maybe splitting hairs here but for the sake of those that want to learn, AAS is AAS. There is a way to eat to get big and a way to eat to drop body fat!

I get the point you're trying to make: 90% of it is about diet and training.

But that still doesn't make it true that some AAS aren't better suited, all other things equal (same diet/training on different AAS), for bulking or cutting.

It's simply not accurate.

You can't tell me that if a guy clones himself, makes his other clone eat exactly the same and train exactly the same, that the gains from 1,000 mg/week of winny will be the same gains as his clone on 1,000 mg/week of test-cyp. They won't be. The composition of those gains will be different, just as the effects of every drug--no matter what category (AAS, antidepressant, pain reliever, etc.)--is different.

So it is accurate, I believe, to say that some AAS are better suited for cutting and some are better suited for bulking. Ultimately, diet will be the determining factor, as I believe is you're trying to point out.

 

[oldfella]

I get the point you're trying to make: 90% of it is about diet and training.

But that still doesn't make it true that some AAS aren't better suited, all other things equal (same diet/training on different AAS), for bulking or cutting.

It's simply not accurate.

You can't tell me that if a guy clones himself, makes his other clone eat exactly the same and train exactly the same, that the gains from 1,000 mg/week of winny will be the same gains as his clone on 1,000 mg/week of test-cyp. They won't be. The composition of those gains will be different, just as the effects of every drug--no matter what category (AAS, antidepressant, pain reliever, etc.)--is different.

So it is accurate, I believe, to say that some AAS are better suited for cutting and some are better suited for bulking. Ultimately, diet will be the determining factor, as I believe is you're trying to point out.

Please explain the difference from lean mass gains from winny or lean mass gains from test? Because in effect this is what you just said!