Can Phil Heath pull off a 2009 Jay Cutler Comeback?

suppdude · Sep 19, 2018

juggy38 said:
Hell I thought even Roelly beat Phil. If his lats just inserted a little lower....

He did/should have.

Durro · Sep 19, 2018

Yes it was awesome when Mr Olympia would go on a tour. I met Jay three times and Ronnie two times. If they can do it the current Mr O can to. It’s a great experience seeing and meeting them. So Mr O Flexatron if you are reading this we would appreciate it!

danieltx · Sep 19, 2018

Durro said:
Yes it was awesome when Mr Olympia would go on a tour. I met Jay three times and Ronnie two times. If they can do it the current Mr O can to. It’s a great experience seeing and meeting them. So Mr O Flexatron if you are reading this we would appreciate it!

Rhoden's already confirmed for the Prague Pro next week.

Durro · Sep 19, 2018

danieltx said:
Rhoden's already confirmed for the Prague Pro next week.

He’s probably going to win it. Good for him.

suppdude · Sep 19, 2018

Anyone got the list for Prague competitors?

biglizard225 · Sep 19, 2018

suppdude said:
He did/should have.

I saw it this way too but Roellys physique doesn't flow like Phils does. (Abdomen aside, obviously) Roellys color and oil was off from what I saw on live stream and every other video.

I think if Phil were to replicate his 2013 look he could easily smash anyone in that line up. I don't think it's going to happen but you never know. Jay looked lightyears better when he came back and won the 2009 title.

Makes it interesting nevertheless

little slice · Sep 19, 2018

Jay Cutler's problem wasn't his gut tho

IMO, Heath's problem isn't fixable... otherwise it would have been fixed.

thethinker48 · Sep 19, 2018

little slice said:
Jay Cutler's problem wasn't his gut tho

IMO, Heath's problem isn't fixable... otherwise it would have been fixed.

Why do you say it isn't fixable?

It's distension from food intake, crazy loading, and growth factors.

He scales those back, scales back the fullness a tad bit for detail. He's back in business.

Unless you mean the growth is permanent or his body isn't responding to the drugs the same way anymore...which is a rational thought. Only time can tell though...

I'm sure many thought Jay was done and "burned out" when he lost...

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suppdude · Sep 19, 2018

biglizard225 said:
I saw it this way too but Roellys physique doesn't flow like Phils does. (Abdomen aside, obviously) Roellys color and oil was off from what I saw on live stream and every other video.

I think if Phil were to replicate his 2013 look he could easily smash anyone in that line up. I don't think it's going to happen but you never know. Jay looked lightyears better when he came back and won the 2009 title.

Makes it interesting nevertheless

If Phil could have controlled his breathing and abdomen, I think he would have won. It was just so out of control and very noticeable, and that is the one thing everyone keeps saying. His abs do look weird now but I still believe he could have won with some control.

little slice said:
Jay Cutler's problem wasn't his gut tho

IMO, Heath's problem isn't fixable... otherwise it would have been fixed.

Agreed.

little slice · Sep 19, 2018

thethinker48 said:
Why do you say it isn't fixable?

It's distension from food intake, crazy loading, and growth factors.

He scales those back, scales back the fullness a tad bit for detail. He's back in business.

Unless you mean the growth is permanent or his body isn't responding to the drugs the same way anymore...which is a rational thought. Only time can tell though...

I'm sure many thought Jay was done and "burned out" when he lost...

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I personally thought he was going to bring something almost entirely different this year..

you'd think that the top bodybuilder in the world would be able to have a flat stomach...I was lightweight hoping to see him pull a vacuum like Pakulski lol

thethinker48 · Sep 19, 2018

little slice said:
I personally thought he was going to bring something almost entirely different this year..

you'd think that the top bodybuilder in the world would be able to have a flat stomach...I was lightweight hoping to see him pull a vacuum like Pakulski lol

Unlike other bodybuilders, Phil barely has any weaknesses. He doesn't need to bring anything different, just bring back his older look.

Better conditioning, tighter waist, less emphasis on size and fullness.

That's it. He wins.

If he'd torn a muscle off, had health issues, or his body started regressing major time, I'd think he was done. But he isn't (as far as we know, we can't say how hes really doing physically); not physically.

Mentally though...only time will tell

suppdude · Sep 19, 2018

thethinker48 said:
Unlike other bodybuilders, Phil barely has any weaknesses. He doesn't need to bring anything different, just bring back his older look.

Better conditioning, tighter waist, less emphasis on size and fullness.

That's it. He wins.

If he'd torn a muscle off, had health issues, or his body started regressing major time, I'd think he was done. But he isn't (as far as we know, we can't say how hes really doing physically); not physically.

Mentally though...only time will tell

Don't you think he knows this and has been trying?

stackdizzy · Sep 19, 2018

I think Phil lost becuase he ia a dipshit and no one cares to listen to him...honestly

juggy38 · Sep 19, 2018

biglizard225 said:
I saw it this way too but Roellys physique doesn't flow like Phils does. (Abdomen aside, obviously) Roellys color and oil was off from what I saw on live stream and every other video.

I think if Phil were to replicate his 2013 look he could easily smash anyone in that line up. I don't think it's going to happen but you never know. Jay looked lightyears better when he came back and won the 2009 title.

Makes it interesting nevertheless

Roelly is just more “blocky”. But if he CAN add a little more lower lat mass and less upper lats maybe it will flow a little better. But he can’t fix just having wider hips. Maybe if he nails his color. I like the guy. His condition was good, had nice chest striatons, and he’s about the only one who matches Phil’s arm size

thethinker48 · Sep 19, 2018

suppdude said:
Don't you think he knows this and has been trying?

I would certainly hope so, but I don't know what Phil thinks.

Hell, maybe he thought he can come in bigger, fuller, with a tighter waist.

I sound like one of those ESPN commentators in a suit "analyzing" an athletes future...I fkin hate those people...lol

Only time will tell...

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pickapeck · Sep 20, 2018

1. Phil has many many insulin receptors in his head. It always looks fat no matter what.

2. Phil as divetriculitis or something in his gut or pregnancy. Maybe he has a stone baby like that old lady from Iran in the Guiness book of records.

3. Phil has funny legs to big on the inside so he has to stand like he's taking a shite in front poses. It's annoying.

4. Phil lashes out at children on social media because they dis him.

5. Phil does not travel out of his neighborhood.

6. Phil is crybaby.

7. Shawn is svelt.

8. Shawn has X factor like Tony and Flex

9. Shawn is family man

10. Shawn will travel outside his neighborhood.

Prediction 2019 Olympia

Kia comeback early announcement. Roelly comes in the shreds. Bonac is more squat looking. Flex Lewis places top 6. Ramp is again the blow fish.

1. Shawn
2. Kai
3. Roelly
4. Flex
5. Phil
6. Boniak

grizzly978 · Sep 20, 2018

Yes but I think he’s damaged goods unless he gets his stomach in control. Plus the best man won it fair and square, no politics or BS.
Rhoden carriers himself like a professional and looked incredible out there.
He should have beat Phil a few Olympia’s ago too but that’s just my opinion

chinaboy · Sep 20, 2018

little slice said:
I personally thought he was going to bring something almost entirely different this year..

you'd think that the top bodybuilder in the world would be able to have a flat stomach...I was lightweight hoping to see him pull a vacuum like Pakulski lol

I was expecting a Phil 2.0, something we haven't seen yet. Actually we did, but in a bad way. I was expecting him to pull out all the stops and come in super slick and having alleviated his gut issue that was talked about so much the year before. I still don't understand how he and Any could not work this out over one year.

thethinker48 said:
Unlike other bodybuilders, Phil barely has any weaknesses. He doesn't need to bring anything different, just bring back his older look.

Better conditioning, tighter waist, less emphasis on size and fullness.

That's it. He wins.

If he'd torn a muscle off, had health issues, or his body started regressing major time, I'd think he was done. But he isn't (as far as we know, we can't say how hes really doing physically); not physically.

Mentally though...only time will tell