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Can you expalin the science behind carbs stimulating thyroid

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how and what is in it that stimulates the tyroid, can you direct to me some links on the info? palumbo says ya need the cheats to keep it stimulated, and how or do we actaully stop burning fat after a certain length amount of time in keto?
 
how and what is in it that stimulates the tyroid, can you direct to me some links on the info? palumbo says ya need the cheats to keep it stimulated, and how or do we actaully stop burning fat after a certain length amount of time in keto?

Very low carb diets mess up the livers ability to convert t4 to t3 (the active form) so if you're going to use a ketogenic diet you need to make it a cyclical ketogenic diet (i.e. include some sort of regular refeed).
 
Well it has to do with leptin levels dropping and your body compensating by slowing down your thyroid output. You need to eat lots of calories (preferably carbs) to bring leptin levels (and all that follows) back to baseline. ONE cheat meal will not do this though, that is a major flaw in the palumbo diet and seems to have been better understood by people like Di Pasquale and Connelly.
 
Although neither Palumbo's or Di Pasquale's diets are true ketogenic diets. With protein intakes of hundreds of grams per day you will never be constantly in ketosis due to gluconeogenesis. Your body chooses the easiest path, if you give it 300gr of protein but no carbs it will easily make 100gr of glucose out of that and probably a lot more as well. Di Pasquale also specifically states his diet is not a keto-diet.
 
Well it has to do with leptin levels dropping and your body compensating by slowing down your thyroid output. You need to eat lots of calories (preferably carbs) to bring leptin levels (and all that follows) back to baseline. ONE cheat meal will not do this though, that is a major flaw in the palumbo diet and seems to have been better understood by people like Di Pasquale and Connelly.

Not a flaw since Dave recommends T3 all the way through, ramping up dosage as you go along.:D
 
Haha :D

Mitochondria if you want to read more on the leptin issue, both Scott Abel's cycle diet and Joel Marion's Cheat to lose diet revolve around this. (as well as many other diets I'm sure)
 
Haha :D

Mitochondria if you want to read more on the leptin issue, both Scott Abel's cycle diet and Joel Marion's Cheat to lose diet revolve around this. (as well as many other diets I'm sure)

who are they
 
You want me to give you a biography on them?
They're not as well known as Palumbo if that's what your inferring to;)
 
You want me to give you a biography on them?
They're not as well known as Palumbo if that's what your inferring to;)

i would like there phone number and adress as well
 
Glucose is required to convert thyroxin (T4) to its active form, triiodothyronine or liothyronine (T3). This occurs mainly in the liver, if glucose is adequate. Why? Glucose activates sulfhydryl enzymes that convert T4 to T3. What happens when T3 is not produced, whatever the cause — stress, radiation, environmental toxins, excess dietary estrogen or liver problems? When T3 decreases, the respiratory or mitochondrial enzymes do not work. T3 is essential for activating the electron transport chain down to the production of oxygen. When T3 is inadequate, sugar (glucose) is burned inefficiently to lactic acid instead of all the way to carbon dioxide. So, the body gets less energy from the same amount of glucose. When the liver runs out of stored sugar (glycogen), it stops converting T4 to T3.

The overall effect of this is low blood sugar, leading to increased adrenalin to compensate for the deficiency of energy, glucose and oxygen. Low thyroid patients excrete 10-40 times the normal amounts of adrenalin metabolites. At first, adrenalin attempts to mobilize glycogen and stored fat. Then progesterone is converted to cortisol in the adrenal cortex by a complex pathway involving a pituitary hormone (ACTH), which is released in response to adrenalin. Cortisol increases blood sugar via the catabolism of protein. Increased cortisol can decrease adrenalin and lead to a low pulse, common in hypothyroid people. But, if the adrenal cortex becomes exhausted and cannot produce enough cortisol, adrenalin will rise. Adrenalin-dominant people may have a high pulse around 120-150 but are still hypothyroid. In either case, proper thyroid therapy will normalize the resting pulse to the optimum, 85 beats per minute. The production of cortisol is a life-saving response to stress, but in the hypothyroid person, it occurs abnormally in an attempt to keep the blood sugar up. Cortisol, like estrogen, inhibits the thyroid, creating a vicious cycle that can only be broken by proper hormone balancing, such as thyroid therapy, and by opposing cortisone and/or estrogen with pregnenolone and progesterone, respectively. In addition, excess cortisol can lead to hot flushes or night sweats, diabetes, bone loss and glaucoma.
 
The only sure way to know if your Thyroid is optimal is tru a Blood Test.

Test 2 things.

1.TSH (Over 2.0 = Hypothyroid)
2.FREE T3 ( You want it to be above mid range)


Theres a connection between Estrogen and Thyroid Function.

Estrogen inhibits thyroid secretion. Progesterone stimulates it. Progesterone is made in the body from LDL cholesterol if there is adequate thyroid hormone and certain enzymes.
 
Glucose is required to convert thyroxin (T4) to its active form, triiodothyronine or liothyronine (T3). This occurs mainly in the liver, if glucose is adequate. Why? Glucose activates sulfhydryl enzymes that convert T4 to T3. What happens when T3 is not produced, whatever the cause — stress, radiation, environmental toxins, excess dietary estrogen or liver problems? When T3 decreases, the respiratory or mitochondrial enzymes do not work. T3 is essential for activating the electron transport chain down to the production of oxygen. When T3 is inadequate, sugar (glucose) is burned inefficiently to lactic acid instead of all the way to carbon dioxide. So, the body gets less energy from the same amount of glucose. When the liver runs out of stored sugar (glycogen), it stops converting T4 to T3.

The overall effect of this is low blood sugar, leading to increased adrenalin to compensate for the deficiency of energy, glucose and oxygen. Low thyroid patients excrete 10-40 times the normal amounts of adrenalin metabolites. At first, adrenalin attempts to mobilize glycogen and stored fat. Then progesterone is converted to cortisol in the adrenal cortex by a complex pathway involving a pituitary hormone (ACTH), which is released in response to adrenalin. Cortisol increases blood sugar via the catabolism of protein. Increased cortisol can decrease adrenalin and lead to a low pulse, common in hypothyroid people. But, if the adrenal cortex becomes exhausted and cannot produce enough cortisol, adrenalin will rise. Adrenalin-dominant people may have a high pulse around 120-150 but are still hypothyroid. In either case, proper thyroid therapy will normalize the resting pulse to the optimum, 85 beats per minute. The production of cortisol is a life-saving response to stress, but in the hypothyroid person, it occurs abnormally in an attempt to keep the blood sugar up. Cortisol, like estrogen, inhibits the thyroid, creating a vicious cycle that can only be broken by proper hormone balancing, such as thyroid therapy, and by opposing cortisone and/or estrogen with pregnenolone and progesterone, respectively. In addition, excess cortisol can lead to hot flushes or night sweats, diabetes, bone loss and glaucoma.



big matt EXELLENT POST, there should be rewards on this site for good post and threads,

in regards to you seeming to be a knowledgeable person how often would say the optimal time to have a cheat is. im sure people are diff, but how long on average would u say one can one go in keto with no cheats and still be in good or decent fat burning mode

on top of that i member reading hernon saying you dont need refeeds, but im not sure if he was talking about the same subject. maybe he can chime in
 
big matt EXELLENT POST, there should be rewards on this site for good post and threads,


I'd send the kudos to Lita Lee, Ph.D. and BigMatt for a good find:

**broken link removed**

-Scott
 
No

big matt EXELLENT POST, there should be rewards on this site for good post and threads,

in regards to you seeming to be a knowledgeable person how often would say the optimal time to have a cheat is. im sure people are diff, but how long on average would u say one can one go in keto with no cheats and still be in good or decent fat burning mode

on top of that i member reading hernon saying you dont need refeeds, but im not sure if he was talking about the same subject. maybe he can chime in

In my diet all I recommend is refeeds........you refeed all day long.......
 
Excellent post indeed

The post from Bigmatt is about a fucking medical condition. This is completely unrelated to your question. You will not become hypothyroid by following diet a,b,c...
 
The post from Bigmatt is about a fucking medical condition. This is completely unrelated to your question. You will not become hypothyroid by following diet a,b,c...
Sigh....

Can you Read AGAIN THE FIRST PART.

Glucose is required to convert thyroxin (T4) to its active form, triiodothyronine or liothyronine (T3). This occurs mainly in the liver, if glucose is adequate. Why? Glucose activates sulfhydryl enzymes that convert T4 to T3. What happens when T3 is not produced, whatever the cause — stress, radiation, environmental toxins, excess dietary estrogen or liver problems? When T3 decreases, the respiratory or mitochondrial enzymes do not work. T3 is essential for activating the electron transport chain down to the production of oxygen. When T3 is inadequate, sugar (glucose) is burned inefficiently to lactic acid instead of all the way to carbon dioxide. So, the body gets less energy from the same amount of glucose. When the liver runs out of stored sugar (glycogen), it stops converting T4 to T3.

A LOW CARB DIET in the long run = Stress

Stress= Cortisol

Cortisol = Inhibit T4 to T3 Conversion

Inhibit T4 to T3 Conversion = Your Not getting Shredded...

THIS IS ALL USELESS IF YOUR USING Exogenous Thyroid Hormones.

Im talking natural here
 
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I'd send the kudos to Lita Lee, Ph.D. and BigMatt for a good find:

**broken link removed**

-Scott


Clearly someone that's graded a few college papers ;):D
 

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