carbs at fats (shake question)

[Conan21]

do you guys think it is ok to mix olive olive along with your protein and maltodextrin for added calories?

I've heard some say fats and carbs shouldn't be mixed

 

[gainingmass]

I did mix extra virgin olive oil and protein shakes together but i didnt mix them with dextrose or simple carbs, if your mixing it with simple carbs i assume your talking about taking it after workouts? That wouldnt be a good idea i think, cause think when your insulin responds to the simple carbs your pushin protein into your muscles and you dont want fat to go in there with it, at least thats my opinion

But if your tryin to get more calories mix milk, protein and extra virgin olive oil and that will give you a good supply

 

[Conan21]

I said maltodextrin........which is complex carb......not for post workout either

i stay away from milk ...the lactose really puts the fat on me

 

[xcelbeyond]

I'm not sure how this is - but maltodextrin has a VERY HIGH Glycemic Index value, similar to dextrose.

While we want to eat good, complex carbs (like long grain brown rice, yams, etc), I'm not sure if you should count matodextrin in that same category of food.

xcel

 

[xcelbeyond]

Except for my post-workout drink, I was mixing in milled flax - the added fiber supposedly helping with protein absorbtion. It's pretty nuetral-tasting also.

For now, I canned the shakes and am trying to eat more real food.

xcel

 

[Conan21]

so you would advise against it?

I've also heard that Malt. is the least likely carb to be converted to fat. strange how it is high GI.

I think alot of MRP have fats in them?

 

[xcelbeyond]

so you would advise against it?

I think alot of MRP have fats in them?

What I'm saying is that maltodextrin is a mystery food to me. I'd use it in a post-workout drink but the 'cause of the high GI, I wouldn't use it as a complex carb (good complex carbs -real food - are not very expensive).

I wouldn't take any credence in what's in a MRP. They're put together to give you cheap calories. Look at all the simple sugar they put in them to make them taste good!

xcel

 

[MikeS]

Im not sure sometimes weather the GI is a usable scale. On it-White rice is lower then brown.
Frosted flakes are lower than cherrios (?) .
Ive looked over a list of foods and their GI and it really doesnt pan out IMO.
I go by sugar grams, and what are typically known as 'complex' carbs as opposed to sugar carbs. Stuff like Yams, Oats, Brown rice, ...and as was said Maltodex is not known for being converted by insulin at a high rate (thus ending up as fat).

I also use a mix (olive/canola/flax) of polyunsaturates and unsaturates with my drinks, wheather or not it contains Malto.
My nighttime shakes DONT contain malto-just isolate and oils.

 

[Conan21]

MikeS

so you think it is ok to mix to the two?

 

[MikeS]

Yes especially if you are on a mass program. Those oils are some of the densest calories you can get.

 

[Mr_Magoo]

gotta disagree, maltodextrin is technically a complex carb but it is so refined, it breaks down at a rate that is damn close to dextrose and gives a very high insulin spike, dont mix the two, if u need extra calories, either add more olive oil or peanut butter

 

[big_byrd52]

u could use mct oil with the carbs. it cannot be stored as fat.

 

[Mr_Magoo]

mct's can be stored as fat, they r just preferentially burned like a carb, so when adding mct's to a shake, think of it in terms of extra carbohydrate calories, and adjust to how many u need

 

[RicPhoenix]

What is the reasoning?

Do they say why they feel that carbs and fats should not be mixed? I think in every meal we consume...we get some carb and fat blends...unless you just eat one thing at a time.

 

[Conan21]

some people say your body can either metabolize carbs or fats at a given time without storing fat. and that consuming them together, you body will store one of them as fat

Don't know if this is true or not. which is why i was asking

 

[Mr_Magoo]

pretty much what conan just said, it applies mostly to things like maltodextrin or things that give a high release of insulin that we do not want to intentionally add fat to.....it's similar to the eating style John Berardi advocates and i agree with it for the most part

 

[G.E.R.M]

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i would not mix EVO with pre or post workout shakes as it will slow the absorbtion of protein and since thats when you realy want it fast.......


however i do add EVO if i have to have a mid morning shake due to work and cant get food in me...

and i also mix EVO into my pre-bed shake so as to slow protein absorbtion during sleep..

plus all the EVO makes the poops slide out real nice..

 

[xcelbeyond]

Re: ...

i would not mix EVO with pre or post workout shakes as it will slow the absorbtion of protein and since thats when you realy want it fast.......

I don't use the oil in shakes. I generally mix together long grain brown rice, meat, salsa, along with spices and olive oil.

I have used milled flax in shakes though (not post-workout drink though) - what's your thoughts on this?

xcel

 

[Mr_Magoo]

beneficial as it has fiber as well, and milled flax or any type of flax except the oil is high in lignans that are anti-estrogenic in nature