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Citrulline Malate vs. L-citrulline

Knight9

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Let's discuss which is optimal. Why are some of the greatest minds in the industry... (Meadows and Porter) designing supplements with L-citrulline when virtually all the research out there is with Citrulline Malate? I would never pick on people I look up to but I fail to see why they are opting for the L version. I know Matt has favored it for a long time, but JM used to tout and formulate with Citrulline Malate.
Yes CM is 2:1 ratio so 6g serving is only 4g of citrulline while JM and MPA are appropriately dosing 6 and 7g of pure L-citrulline but I think I feel more favorable with 10g CM.

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Simply fact that malic acid has no benefit for bodybuilding. Some will say it helps with endurance, but to what degree?

With L-citrulline, products don't need as high of a dose compared to CM which can play a huge role in serving size (total weight) and shipping.
 

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I've been wondering myself lately. I always thought the malic acid was helpful somehow. Enhanced absorption or something. Now I'm not sure
 

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Iirc the malic acid helps with the krebs cycle helping atp turnover, which could provide some benefit I'm exhausted right now and minds a little cloudy
 

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Simply fact that malic acid has no benefit for bodybuilding. Some will say it helps with endurance, but to what degree?

With L-citrulline, products don't need as high of a dose compared to CM which can play a huge role in serving size (total weight) and shipping.
A very intelligent friend from this board shared this with me last month..

In trained athletes given 6g citrulline malate prior to a prolonged (137km) cycling test, the exercise-induced increase in growth hormone appeared to be increased; when measured immedaitely after exercise, the citrulline group had 66.8% higher GH concentrations which (after 3 hours of rest) was attenuated to 28%.[20] Elsewhere, doses of 2-15g citrulline have failed to influence growth hormone when at rest when measured over 8 hours.[22]


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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21664351

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20499249

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20386132



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I read somewhere that Citrulline by it's self will upset your stomach the malate is added to prevent this?
 

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Citrulline Malate is all about donating a malate group to the Kreb's Cycle, thereby increasing energy and endurance (read: muscle fatigue). Malic Acid along with oxygen and acetyl-Co-A create actual energy at the cellular level. It also helps to reduce lactic acid/acidity. What this means in a bodybuilding context is MORE REPS.

https://examine.com/supplements/citrulline/
 

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I finally started using CM, and it is definitely noticeable. I feel like I can go much longer in the gym without getting fatigued.
 

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I love cm...but I've never tried l citrulline
 

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Just heard today there is a shortage on CM right now so unless the product has already been made and not a new batch I would be skeptical
 

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Just heard today there is a shortage on CM right now so unless the product has already been made and not a new batch I would be skeptical

Really? Where did you hear this?
 

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I heard from a rep at Nutrabio that molecularly bonded citrulline malate is no longer being made so they can't get right now. Many suppliers are just putting in a blend of l-citrulline and malic acid and that is not the same. I think it is the molecular bonding of 2 l-citrulline and 1 malic acid that makes it work.
Just what I have been told.
 

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Maybe Dante can shed some light on this?
 

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