Clemens on 60 Minutes / Mitchell Report

[dalvare1]

Did anyone watch the 60 minutes episode today?

Roger Clemens was on getting asked about the steroid allegations in the Mitchell reports.

What I cannot understand is, either his trainer is full of sh*t, or doesnt know much about using. Here is a quote:

"Your trainer said that he injected you twice with Human Growth Hormone."

Who would ever take 2 shots of HGH? There would be no point! Unless there is some super potent secret HGH with an ester or something that I am unaware of. From everything in my experience and research HGH is taken over months, taken daily, which would add up to more like 90-100 shots.

Another Quote:

"Your trainer says that he injected you four times with testosterone."

Again, who takes 4 shots of test for a cycle?

Now if he came out and named actual substances, dosages, a 3-4 month time period, and some type of realistic cycle layout I would buy it.

What I cant understand is that if you were such a high caliber athlete with access to everything and money was the last issue on earth, why would you do something as useless as taking 2 shots of HGH for a cycle? Would there be any benefit whatsoever?

For such an "experienced" trainer it seems like something does not add up. Two shots of HGH do not produce the greatest pitcher of all time.

 

[Kahn]

He's got the terminology down if he isn't using. If you were the greatest of all time, would you do it to get more/do more? I would.

 

[dalvare1]

I would. But I wouldnt take 2 shots of HGH. There is no point.

 

[JamesJ]

Jose Canseco named him and hasn't been wrong yet. Charlie Frances once said after Ben Johnson got caught "once you accept that everyone is using, then first really is first and last really is last."

 

[panic66]

Cause in some weird way people think you're less guilty doing it twice, then doing a "cycle". Really what pro is gonna say yea i've been on hgh for 3 years now? or i just finished up a 12 week cycle....

 

[Massive G]

he was coached on what to say.
All these guys know about AAS and GH and their trainers are their suppliers.
I looked at his eyes when he was asked the tough questions and he was lying his ass off blinking like a mofo.
I don't think any less of him for trying to excell at his sport-they almost all do- and I surely wouldn't admit it either.

a pitcher is more likey to be gassed on painkillers and AAS GH than anyone else due to their extreme stress and damage to the body game after game. May not be mega bb'er doses but they still are doing it.

 

[dragonfire101]

I looked at his eyes when he was asked the tough questions and he was lying his ass off blinking like a mofo.

He looked down a couple times also, which means he was trying to avoid/hide the truth, if he looked up he would be searching for an answer, but like you said he was coach so he already new his answers.

 

[Kane]

He definitely showed signs that he wasn't being truthful. The whole thing is a joke. From the number of shots he was allegedly given of both aas and hgh to the rediculous investigation.

Andy Pettite said he only got one shot of HGH. Wtf?? If the trainer was giving these guys stuff then you would think there would have been a lot more shots and he would have been able to provide cycle info, etc. I call bullshit!

For years Clemens has been known for his off season conditioning program so the guy's definitely a hard worker and a hell of a competitor. I would think that someone with those traits would be more likely to take something to help him extend his career.

To show you how messed up our society is you would think people would be pissed that these guys were given amphetamines and pain killers so they could play. That's performance enhancing because otherwise, those guys wouldn't have been able to play or they wouldn't have played well.

 

[Massive G]

Concerning painkillers-none of them are on the banned substance list for the NFL from the list I saw earlier this year-maybe not MLB either.

Guys openly take shots from team doctors to numb pain and are given vicodin and other painkillers to help them play.

To me that's worse than any AAS or GH administration or use and it's accepted. It's a form of ergogenic enhancement as well.

 

[Conan21]

I couldn't even watch it because the whole situation is so rediculous. I was at my parents and I refused to watch it but i over heard it from the other room.

Who cares what roger clements does? Its such a shame that he has to defend himself to the world over this.

18 year old kids are dieing every day in the Middle East and America is this concerned over whether R.C took some Testosterone and GH?

Strange Strange world we live in.

 

[dalvare1]

Andy Pettite said he only got one shot of HGH. Wtf?? If the trainer was giving these guys stuff then you would think there would have been a lot more shots and he would have been able to provide cycle info, etc. I call bullshit!

This is exactly what I am saying. If you are going through all this, for whatever reason, why would your ultimate evidence be " I injected him once"

The issue at hand is not whether or not we believe him, its a no brainer, the question is why wasnt more detailed realistic information given?