Cutting Cycle Advice

[wukillabee]

Im 25, 5'10, 210lbs, 13-14%bf, 3 cycles under my belt. Im leaning up now as much as i can before i start the cycle to make it that much better. Starting to decrease my daily carb intake slowly and while on the cutting cycle will be carb cycling. Right now im taking clen 2 weeks on, 1 week off and during that week off taking 50mg ben ed before bed to upregulate betas.

I have 70ml of mast prop, 60ml of npp, and 80ml of test prop all dosed 100mg/ml each. This is what i was thinking:
weeks 1-6 t3 50mcg/day
weeks 1-10 test prop at 525mg/week (75mg/ed)
weeks 1-10 npp at 525mg/week (75mg/ed)
weeks 1-8/10 mast prop at 350mg/week (50mg/ed)
OR:
weeks 1-6 t3 50mcg/day
weeks 1-10 test prop at 400mg/week (100mg/eod)
weeks 1-10 npp at 400mg/week (100mg/eod)

Either one i was thinking of sticking with the clen protocol im on now as well throughout the cycle. Ill be about 500cals below maint during this cycle and looking to of course still have some good strength and possibly gain some lean size while cutting, this is why i was leaning more towards the first proposed cycle above.

This would be my first time with npp and mast prop. I used deca at 600mg/week for 12 weeks my last cycle with zero bad sides from deca, nothing but some good size so assuming ill get the same effect from npp. Mast i have zero exp with. Didnt want to use any orals this cycle since if acne gets real bad i might get on accutane at 20mg/day so no need for an oral aas as well! Giving my liver a break since ive takin orals last 3 cycles off and on.
Also forgot to include id be on hcg at 500iu/week shot 250iu/twice a week during the cycle from start to end/start of pct.

PCT:
week one 100mg clomid ed
week one torm 160mg ed
weeks 2-5/6 50mg clomid ed and 120mg torm ed

I get no bad sides from clomid so im good there and this will be my first run with torm since i hear so many great things. I usually just do basic nolva/clomid combo with good results.
Take in mind i am gyno prone but do have all proper hg ancillaries on hand, arimidex, letro, bromo, etc. Im also cruising on 250mg/test enth/week right now for the past 6 weeks since i finished my last cycle to help keep and make some more gains leading up to this cutting cycle. Ive also been on the same hcg protocol since as well so everything is in order. After this cycle ill probably be off for rest of the year all natty.

Think i covered it all but any other info u guys need feel free to ask. Tryin to get the best results of course so tryin to give you all as much info as possible, thanks!
Looking to start this cycle in another 4 weeks or so from now.

 

[Johnny Smiles]

my thoughts...

should have just posted your diet since how you eat determines how you look. and i think t3 is a bad idea for you and for most people. you don't need it AT ALL.
essentially test is the only thing you really need if you want to get lean and grow a bit and stay healthy. when you are finally fairly lean then add the masteron for the finnishing touch. otherwise, you are wasting the masteron cuz its not gonna make you look any harder underneath you fat. and i think npp is pointless. fun. but in the long run pointless.
all my tired opinion (long day) -JS

 

[wukillabee]

should have just posted your diet since how you eat determines how you look. and i think t3 is a bad idea for you and for most people. you don't need it AT ALL.
essentially test is the only thing you really need if you want to get lean and grow a bit and stay healthy. when you are finally fairly lean then add the masteron for the finnishing touch. otherwise, you are wasting the masteron cuz its not gonna make you look any harder underneath you fat. and i think npp is pointless. fun. but in the long run pointless.
all my tired opinion (long day) -JS

Thank you for your tired response, hopefully someone awake and takes the time to read and understand my full post can respond with some more knowledgeable feedback. First, why no t3? I've used it before with no ill problems and bounced back just fine coming off. Yes, common sense is if i ONLY want to barely keep the muscle i have now then to take 300-400mg of test only and stick with my cutting diet and ill be spot on right? Well im not here for common sense remarks and if you read my full post and understood, im obviously looking for more then that. These 2 cycle ideas where well thought out by me for a reason, my overall goals for this!

I know masteron is no magic drug. I just have plenty of it and its already been sitting here for over a year and don't plan on cutting this strictly again til this time next year in which i can always get more if needed. So i was thinking of using it mainly for its AI properties since i am gyno prone and any extra hardness/strength from it would be great as well but again not looking for anything crazy from it.

The npp is because i plan on still trying to lift heavy as i can (without injury of course, staying in the 8-10 rep range) while cutting and to help lube my joints. The test, well thats the common sense part. Ill be an easy 11%bf going into this cycle at day 1 and im sure around the time the mast and everything else kicks in ill already be 10%bf and going down from there. What, i gotta be 6% or less bf to use mast? Come on. I dont plan on ever competing or anything like that, all personal goals here and to try new ideas and aas out.

So again, hopefully someone more understanding and knowledgeable can help me out here. Thank you.

 

[Johnny Smiles]

ok then.

sounds like you have it all figured out.
you still didn't post your diet and juice doesn't magically make you ripped so i think this is an incomplete thread. -JS

 

[aeliop]

Professional Council is in order

Right now im taking clen 2 weeks on, 1 week off and during that week off taking 50mg ben ed before bed to upregulate betas.

I have 70ml of mast prop, 60ml of npp, and 80ml of test prop all dosed 100mg/ml each. This is what i was thinking:
weeks 1-6 t3 50mcg/day
weeks 1-10 test prop at 525mg/week (75mg/ed)
weeks 1-10 npp at 525mg/week (75mg/ed)
weeks 1-8/10 mast prop at 350mg/week (50mg/ed)
OR:
weeks 1-6 t3 50mcg/day
weeks 1-10 test prop at 400mg/week (100mg/eod)
weeks 1-10 npp at 400mg/week (100mg/eod)

I dont plan on ever competing or anything like that, all personal goals here and to try new ideas and aas out.

So again, hopefully someone more understanding and knowledgeable can help me out here. Thank you.

My advice? Seek professional counciling as soon as possible and find out why you are so unhappy with yourself.

I know this makes you mad and it's not what you want to hear but trust me using gear is probably not for you right now.

 

[Ivan]

T-3

You know I really do not like this drug -- it is so damn catabolic (to fat & muscle) even if you take some test to off-set this. It messes with your thyroid (which is risky) and honestly I would only take this again (tried a looong time ago) if I was to use GH, and I may not even take it then either. Yeah the diet really is what is gonna get you lean (sounds like what your main goal is) -- you did ask for advice so no reason to jump on Smiles, and your response to him is what most likely prompted Aeliop's post about seeking counseling.

 

[aeliop]

Somewhat

you did ask for advice so no reason to jump on Smiles, and your response to him is what most likely prompted Aeliop's post about seeking counseling.

Yes Ivan that and his hell bent attitude to take T3, Masteron for no apparent reason. Not that competing is end all be all. Heck I would of felt better if he said he was getting married and he wanted to be in shape for his honeymoon.

 

[Johnny Smiles]

thanks Ivan and Aeliop

Yes Ivan that and his hell bent attitude to take T3, Masteron for no apparent reason. Not that competing is end all be all. Heck I would of felt better if he said he was getting married and he wanted to be in shape for his honeymoon.

some people just don't "get it." -JS

 

[Demonox14]

Wait A minute!

My advice? Seek professional counciling as soon as possible and find out why you are so unhappy with yourself.

I think that was very absurd comment, he only ask for advise, not a counselor, if your not going to answer the question then why even respond! that's why I usually keep my opinion to myself... I feel that everybody have the choice to use the compound if they want too, we can not be the one to judge him of his use, like the old saying... "you should not throw stones if you live in a glass house." what makes us so different! I do agree what you are saying but I'm not a police nor want to be a hypocrite

 

[Johnny Smiles]

i think you missed it bro

I think that was very absurd comment, he only ask for advise, not a counselor, if your not going to answer the question then why even respond! that's why I usually keep my opinion to myself... I feel that everybody have the choice to use the compound if they want too, we can not be the one to judge him of his use, like the old saying... "you should not throw stones if you live in a glass house." what makes us so different! I do agree what you are saying but I'm not a police nor want to be a hypocrite

he asked questions. i gave him answers. he gave reasons why he is STILL going to do what he WANTS to do.
so actually, if he isn't going to listen to any advice then why ask? he is just wasting our time.
alwyas good to ask questions but NOT good to ignore the answers. -JS

 

[aeliop]

I guess it depends on how you look at it.

I think that was very absurd comment, he only ask for advise, not a counselor, if your not going to answer the question then why even respond! that's why I usually keep my opinion to myself... I feel that everybody have the choice to use the compound if they want too, we can not be the one to judge him of his use, like the old saying... "you should not throw stones if you live in a glass house." what makes us so different! I do agree what you are saying but I'm not a police nor want to be a hypocrite

I guess if being a young guy, taking steroids and T3 for no reason (his statement not mine) isn't absurd then I made an absurd comment.

 

[Demonox14]

OK

I guess if being a young guy, taking steroids and T3 for no reason (his statement not mine) isn't absurd then I made an absurd comment.

my point is what is a good reason? I think if he wants to do it go ahead... I was his age experimented and I learned a lot what worked and didn't, off course there are risk associated with it, but that's how you learn, from your own body reaction.. I mean how many 25yr old NPC athletes are taking this and that.. does that make it right? I'm clearly not arguing with you, but just to let you know advising the kid is kewl but scrutinizing is definitely not... WUKILLABEE T3 is dangerous and hope you done your homework and talk to someone that have experience with that compound... be safe and remember there is no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people..

 

[wukillabee]

my point is what is a good reason? I think if he wants to do it go ahead... I was his age experimented and I learned a lot what worked and didn't, off course there are risk associated with it, but that's how you learn, from your own body reaction.. I mean how many 25yr old NPC athletes are taking this and that.. does that make it right? I'm clearly not arguing with you, but just to let you know advising the kid is kewl but scrutinizing is definitely not... WUKILLABEE T3 is dangerous and hope you done your homework and talk to someone that have experience with that compound... be safe and remember there is no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people..

Thanks bro. I've done a lot of research, mostly conflicting info on t3 especially on this particular site. Sorry if i originally came off as an ass, i do apologize. Just want to be my leanest/hardest ever this summer and i know i can get there. Just using this extra to help above diet and cardio of course. Been training for many years finding out what works with my training, diet, and now aas. I wouldn't go past 50mcg ed and would do it 6 weeks max. Im on a lot of boards but come here with stuff like this since i know the vast majority here are all well experienced and knowledgeable. Just trying to find what works for me above diet/training of course. I know how i respond to test/deca/ and a few orals. Now trying new stuff out, thats all. Appreciate your info and anyone else that can help and not scrutinize so much. Just here to learn like everyone else. Thank you.