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[jewels13]

I did 1200-1400 cals for some time
I was 200 at 7% bf,trying to burn last bits of fat
(on dnp,t3,tren & shitload of stimulants/hunger suppressants)
after carbload,could not take my eyes off the mirror

 

[b_cornelius]

Some people have no fat no matter how much they eat.
So there must be a way to micro-program the body, without worrying about macro-calories (at least not as much). Epigenetics is just a part of the program as the body turns genes on and off.

There are, however, a few simpler things to consider.

Like don't take GW1516. It causes cancer. They said so.

PGCL makes your tummy hurt. I wouldn't waste my time perfecting this technique.

 

[Ironman2010]

I did 1200-1400 cals for some time
I was 200 at 7% bf,trying to burn last bits of fat
(on dnp,t3,tren & shitload of stimulants/hunger suppressants)
after carbload,could not take my eyes off the mirror

yep this works very well

 

[springfield]

If you're on 1200 cals and you want to do a carb load. How much should it be?

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[Ironman2010]

If you're on 1200 cals and you want to do a carb load. How much should it be?

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Generally the guys i have spoke to, advise a whole cheat sort of day, just eating everything, my very close friend used to do this, never done a carb load, absolutely peeled to the bone, but he was fairly lean to start with

I would start off at a decent amount and work it from there, maybe 500g to start with? and then up it? i prefer to do cheat days....

When i say cheat days i don't mean stuffing your face from day to night, maybe 3 big meals during the day (breakfast,lunch & dinner) off what you want

 

[jewels13]

yep this works very well

At the end of cutting or as a quick fix
But its easy to hit the wall if you start ur cals so low
Body enters starvation mode (even on dnp) and ur stuck with nowhere to go
Personally ive got best results starting at 2500cals and lowering from there

 

[jewels13]

If you're on 1200 cals and you want to do a carb load. How much should it be?

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4 or 5th day after dnp i do full body workout on morning ,
than go to sushi buffet,followed by some low fat cake or any crap i was carving when dieting
I dont count makros but i try to keep my food low fat and low gluten
while eating as much as i want.

 

[little slice]

At the end of cutting or as a quick fix
But its easy to hit the wall if you start ur cals so low
Body enters starvation mode (even on dnp) and ur stuck with nowhere to go
Personally ive got best results starting at 2500cals and lowering from there

pretty sure this isn't actually a thing

 

[doug1]

pretty sure this isn't actually a thing

dnp aside, I think it is more common in women who can't get off their cardio machines and are down below 1,000 cals a day. They can mess up their metabolisms pretty bad.
Men and woman alike can benefit from a refeed day of super high carbs, moderate protein, little to no fat. Can really bump the metabolism and prepare for another fat loss drop. Just stay the hell off the scale the days following refeeds.

 

[jewels13]

pretty sure this isn't actually a thing

Im talking fom my own experience
I did start diet below 2k cals and soon started howering between 1200-1500
1st 2 weeks where great but on week 3 to 4th my weight was 82kg
and not moving (while on tren and dnp)
I think fat loss is little more complicated than simple math
of calories in and calories out..

 

[jewels13]

Btw i dont do cheat days anymore
While i did enjoy them (even too much)
i feel they did slow my fatloss
Now i eat like cheat only after im satisfied with bf%
Also i immediately bump up aas doses(tren is a must),add slin and volume style training
I think this way i minimize fat-gain while going straight to bulking (with great appetite

 

[doug1]

You don't really gain fat from a proper refeed day, if glycogen stores are depleted. The weight on scale is water and full muscles. As long as fat is kept to bare minumum. Problem is, most carbs generally go better alongside fat when it comes to the palate.

 

[jewels13]

You don't really gain fat from a proper refeed day, if glycogen stores are depleted. The weight on scale is water and full muscles. As long as fat is kept to bare minumum. Problem is, most carbs generally go better alongside fat when it comes to the palate.

But u cant refill glycogen on dnp
Aside from that i agree100%
Low fat carb ups were always better for me
(felt and looked better next day)
Palate is relative,on cheat days I crave sugars so much
i feel like 7th heaven,completly did not care its low fat

 

[sammy555]

You don't really gain fat from a proper refeed day, if glycogen stores are depleted. The weight on scale is water and full muscles. As long as fat is kept to bare minumum. Problem is, most carbs generally go better alongside fat when it comes to the palate.

Tbh i have cheat days that are 8000 calories plus of anything I want , chocolate. Mcds etc. I still drop a lot of fat the following week and get ahead. I've done carb days of 1200 carbs and 250 protein next to 0 fat and results about the same so I choose to enjoy the day sometimes . I've done 8 weeks straight no refeeds and the results are always about the same. Feel best with proper all our cheat days though and hold strenght much better. I run carbs at 500 straight through and next to no fat and just increase cardio and doses as needed

 

[doug1]

But u cant refill glycogen on dnp
Aside from that i agree100%
Low fat carb ups were always better for me
(felt and looked better next day)
Palate is relative,on cheat days I crave sugars so much
i feel like 7th heaven,completly did not care its low fat

I didn't know that about the dnp.
I hear ya about the sugar thing and the palate. Ever since I started drinking beer a few nights a week, I have kinda lost my sweet tooth. Hard to explain.

 

[doug1]

Tbh i have cheat days that are 8000 calories plus of anything I want , chocolate. Mcds etc. I still drop a lot of fat the following week and get ahead. I've done carb days of 1200 carbs and 250 protein next to 0 fat and results about the same so I choose to enjoy the day sometimes . I've done 8 weeks straight no refeeds and the results are always about the same. Feel best with proper all our cheat days though and hold strenght much better. I run carbs at 500 straight through and next to no fat and just increase cardio and doses as needed

That's cool that you can be that much of pig and still have it work out. I try to keep recommendations on the safe, conservative side here to not get into trouble.

 

[kinglewy]

I know for me if I go zero carb for the whole week I can get away with almost anything over the weekend. Usualy not eating carbs the whole week also shrinks my stomach so if I do go nuts at a buffet I get full pretty quick.

 

[Joenoarms]

Yep...it works out to about 6 pieces of swai, 3 cups of rice, 3 tsp. Light soy sauce and 3 zuccinis a day.
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Thanks for ur feedback brother...i appreciate it.

I love Swai. But 6 pieces is what I eat before bed

 

[sammy555]

That's cool that you can be that much of pig and still have it work out. I try to keep recommendations on the safe, conservative side here to not get into trouble.

Good idea. I'm a man of excess in just about every thing I do unfortunately lol

 

[Fit2Serve]

IMO 1200 calories simply isn't enough. at that height and weight I assume you would have an easier time losing bodyfat % at higher rate with more carbs. I know it sounds ass backwards but its true....
-F2S