Cycle Questions

[DesertRocker]

I was thinking of doing a cycle of Test Cyp., Tri Tren., Masteron, and primobolan. Should I include some dostinex or will the Masteron be good enough to prevent any problems in the area of sensitive nipples and/or lactating or any similar problems. I was thinking of adding in Dostinex for protection against such problems. I was planning to take 1cc of each a week, Test on Sun, Tren on Mon, Mast on Wed, and Prim on fri. Any advice or critique of this cycle would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

 

[DesertRocker]

In other words I'm taking:

Test Cyp. 200mg/sun

Tri-Tren. 150mg/mon

Masteron 200mg/wed

Primobolan 100mg/fri

With:
Weight Training 2 a days, M - F
Running Daily 7 Days a week
Swimming M - F

Im also taking multiple supplements, multivitamins, and Im eating right. Is the dostinex necessary, or is there something else, maybe cheaper that will work just as well?

 

[marooned]

In other words I'm taking:

Test Cyp. 200mg/sun

Tri-Tren. 150mg/mon

Masteron 200mg/wed

Primobolan 100mg/fri

With:
Weight Training 2 a days, M - F
Running Daily 7 Days a week
Swimming M - F

Im also taking multiple supplements, multivitamins, and Im eating right. Is the dostinex necessary, or is there something else, maybe cheaper that will work just as well?

So your cycle looks like this.

Test C, 200mg/wk
Tren Hex, 150mg/wk
Masteron 200mg/wk
Primo 100mg/wk

Your training 5 days a week and doing cardio 7 days a week.
What are your goals with this cycle?
How long is th cycle going to be?
Are you planning on running all the compounds all the way through the cycle?
What is your PCT plan?
I don't think the Dostinex is necessary. Would be good to have on hand. There might be a better cycle lay out for these steroids to be run together.

 

[DesertRocker]

k well however you want to write it thats the cycle Im gonna take.
I have goals to gain anywhere from 20 - 30lbs. 4000+ Calories a day dieting, (Mostly meats, yogurt, and protein shakes). I had two ideas about how i would run it, I thought of running the Test and the Tren for 2 weeks then adding in the Prim, then week 4 I would add in the masteron. That way if I happen to bloat a little or get a little to heavy (Trying to stay under 200lbs. Currently 160 after a bout with the flu where I wasnt eating or working out. Im 5'10''). If I dont run it like that Ill probrably just make it a 10 wk cycle starting everything and ending together. I will be running Clenbuterol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off entire cycle, and some T3. Not sure how Im gonna take the T3 yet. For PCT Im just gonna take a normal clomid cycle after I take my last shot. If I start shrinking or get any other post cycle troubles past what feels normal Ill throw go pick up some Vitrix to help the clomid. When I finish my clomid Ill get my check-up and make sure everything is legit with my nuts. Im thinking about just getting dostinex anyway, maybe it will help with me with my absent-mindedness. Whatever works...Any criticism or further questions/advice would be awesome tho.

 

[marooned]

I re-wrote the cycle to show mgs per week so you could see that the amounts are really low. Test at 200mgs/wk is going to shut down your natural production of Test but not yeild the gains you want. It would basically repalce it and up it a little for the cycle duration. Tri Tren at 150mg/wk is a low does also. Tren is a great strength builder but also shuts down you HTPA hard and is harsh on the kidneys. The dose of Primo isn't enough to be effective IMO.
I am keeping in mind that you are currently 160lbs. At that wieght you have definetly not maxed out your natural potential. If you training is good and your diet is good you should be able to make steady solid gains without AAS.
For your goals for your cycle you picked the wrong compounds. I know that the things you have picked are problably the cleanest steroids with the least sides. That, plus your body weight makes me wonder if this is your first cycle. If it is I would make some other suggestions for a cycle and if it isn't I would still change things up.
At your weight you definetly won't be needing to use the Clen after a cycle like this. Pretty much you have a cutting cycle listed and at the end your BF% would be cut down already.
Consider your goals again. How bad you want all that weight at once. How bad you want to end the cycle cut up and lean. How many sides you can deal with. Then read about the compounds you have listed at www.steroidsprofiles.com it has a ton of good info. Thank the board sponsers that helped put that together. Then you can get a better line up and dosages for your cycle if, you want to run one?

 

[doug1]

I think with the clen and 7days a week of aerobics(hard too, running) if you are able to gain 20-30lbs of muscle then you would be a genetic super freak.

 

[doug1]

i'm quite sure it's his first cycle, the expectations are enormous, these guys think the drugs are going to be miracle workers for their frames in such short periods of time. it's also clear by the way the guys think their going to burn fat and gain huge amounts of muscle at the same time. not giving you a hard time here desert, but you can't get all you want from one cycle. the reality is your probably gonna have to do 3-6 cycles of high androgens and lots of calories to gain that kind of muscle on your present (160lb)frame. in between some of those cycles if you get too much bodyfat for your liking then do some fat burning with smaller doses to maintain the muscle. some of the compounds you are talking about are not only expensive but more for getting ready for a competition. some of the cycles on this board are so complex...give me some test(whatever the form) and some d-bol tabs and i'll produce you a pretty good looking physique, for a fraction of the cost.

 

[Sesshomaru]

I have goals to gain anywhere from 20 - 30lbs. 4000+ Calories a day dieting, (Mostly meats, yogurt, and protein shakes).

This is not going to happen with or without drugs given your training. Two-a-days with lifting can be done and I like them and have outlined how to do them in the past, but if you havent done them, you will find that you 1) need to ease into them, and 2) up your caloric intake a bunch if youre trying to gain weight.

On top of all this, your running and swimming each day. Unless you need to be aerobically fit, that is way too much cardio when weight gain is concerned.

Next, youre trying to gain weight but youre taking things like t3 and clen for cutting. It sounds like youre trying to gain mass and lose fat at the same time, but you can partition better with sound training, good diet, and substances that yield more quality gains.

If I were you, Id look at the goal again and restructure the training and diet first.

 

[terryd5150]

This is not going to happen with or without drugs given your training. Two-a-days with lifting can be done and I like them and have outlined how to do them in the past, but if you havent done them, you will find that you 1) need to ease into them, and 2) up your caloric intake a bunch if youre trying to gain weight.

On top of all this, your running and swimming each day. Unless you need to be aerobically fit, that is way too much cardio when weight gain is concerned.

Next, youre trying to gain weight but youre taking things like t3 and clen for cutting. It sounds like youre trying to gain mass and lose fat at the same time, but you can partition better with sound training, good diet, and substances that yield more quality gains.

If I were you, Id look at the goal again and restructure the training and diet first.

Solid advice.

 

[terryd5150]

I re-wrote the cycle to show mgs per week so you could see that the amounts are really low. Test at 200mgs/wk is going to shut down your natural production of Test but not yeild the gains you want. It would basically repalce it and up it a little for the cycle duration. Tri Tren at 150mg/wk is a low does also. Tren is a great strength builder but also shuts down you HTPA hard and is harsh on the kidneys. The dose of Primo isn't enough to be effective IMO.
I am keeping in mind that you are currently 160lbs. At that wieght you have definetly not maxed out your natural potential. If you training is good and your diet is good you should be able to make steady solid gains without AAS.
For your goals for your cycle you picked the wrong compounds. I know that the things you have picked are problably the cleanest steroids with the least sides. That, plus your body weight makes me wonder if this is your first cycle. If it is I would make some other suggestions for a cycle and if it isn't I would still change things up.
At your weight you definetly won't be needing to use the Clen after a cycle like this. Pretty much you have a cutting cycle listed and at the end your BF% would be cut down already.
Consider your goals again. How bad you want all that weight at once. How bad you want to end the cycle cut up and lean. How many sides you can deal with. Then read about the compounds you have listed at www.steroidprofiles.com it has a ton of good info. Thank the board sponsers that helped put that together. Then you can get a better line up and dosages for your cycle if, you want to run one?

Good post.

I wanted to add to this thread but I think you guys about covered it all.

 

[DesertRocker]

K Im pretty much just gonna deliver a rebuttal in defense(not that yall attacked me). Ill try to answer everything.

1. My Mg's may be low, this is something I was not aware of, I was under the impression that stacking the 4 would mean that I wouldn't need to take as much of each, I'm gonna rework how I take the Tren and Test for certain now, to improve on this.

2. Im not normally only 160lbs, Im generally between 175 - 185. Just lost a ton of weight being sick for a long time. Yea I guess I havent reached my potential in weight maybe but honestly, Im extremely satisfied being low weight. Although I dont ball any more I have always done sports like Soccer, Swimming, and I was always forced into Youth boxing and MMA by my pops. So in my opinion I shouldnt even be over 200, Im just built to be a smaller lighter guy, cant really do shit about it. I can also make my gains without steroids sure, but so can everyone else, and technically you never unlock your full potential (honestly, not being a bitch but I thought everyone took steroids to increase their potential and achieve goals faster, if you couldnt achieve the results without them period, i assume there would be a ton less all-natural competitors.)

3. Not my first cycle, I actually built this cycle reading about peoples inputs and the profiles off of steroidtips.com.(I actually think thats the site you were referring to marooned. I could be wrong but the link wouldnt work for me.)

4. Ill keep the clen fact in mind, honestly though, Weight is of no concern to me. I estimated that 20 - 30lbs gain because maybe I overestimated the power of the Tren and Test together. However I'm definately not a hardgainer, I stay lean cause I have an arab body, but I have Irish heritage and i kinda am a genetic freak, my odd heritage mix kinda lets me move weight well, gaining or cutting. (Least thats the only thing i can explain it with).

5. Already did two a days, nothing new.

6. Im probrably not going to run T3 anymore, maybe not the clen either now that Ive seen what you say because I do want to gain some weight for faster strength gains but I doubt I'll stop running and swimming. I would quit running but my dog cant come swim laps and Im not letting him get fat either, so...

7. This ones for doug. I didn't think my expectations were enormous honestly. (Gained 18 pounds just on 150mg of Winny a week if my memory serves me right, over 10 weeks.) Im not trying to go from being a starved arab rebel or some shit to being Franco Columbo you know, just wanted to get lookin nice for the summer, which is why I picked out those cutters. I could care less where my weight is at post cycle, I just wanted to gain all the strength I could while I was doing this cycle without puffing up. Maybe I should just do a solid str cycle and solid cutting cycle though, Ill keep it in mind. I dont plan to do way to many more cycles though.

8. And finally, Im pretty avid about not doing D-bol. Honestly kinda scares the shit out of me you know. Everyone says its the best out there out of my friends that have taken it and they all love it, but I can't be convinced. I refuse to take it.

I appreciate the advice though, taking it to heart. Keep it coming.

 

[doug1]

if you can gain 20-30 of only muscle and no fat then you have wonderfull genentics and keep us posted.

 

[balla06]

how old r u bro and how long u been training? not tryin to dog u at all in anyway but u seem to have a little knowlege when it comes to AAS.

 

[marooned]

K Im pretty much just gonna deliver a rebuttal in defense(not that yall attacked me). Ill try to answer everything.
* No defense needed. The more info you put in the better the input you will get back. There is no talking someone out of starting AAS if they have decided they want too, so providing honest information and advice is the only help anyone can give.

1. My Mg's may be low, this is something I was not aware of, I was under the impression that stacking the 4 would mean that I wouldn't need to take as much of each, I'm gonna rework how I take the Tren and Test for certain now, to improve on this.
* The dosages are definetly low. Effective dosages are independent to each steroid used. There is some synergistic effect when combining but the effective dosage of each must be used. Test E or C is what I would recommend for you, having never taken Test before. Tren stacks very well with Test and helps add strength and cut excess water. Tren is very strong but comes with strong sides if you get them. Also Tren is usually added later in the cycle and limited to 8 wks because of how hard it is on the body.

2. Im not normally only 160lbs, Im generally between 175 - 185. Just lost a ton of weight being sick for a long time. Yea I guess I havent reached my potential in weight maybe but honestly, Im extremely satisfied being low weight. Although I dont ball any more I have always done sports like Soccer, Swimming, and I was always forced into Youth boxing and MMA by my pops. So in my opinion I shouldnt even be over 200, Im just built to be a smaller lighter guy, cant really do shit about it. I can also make my gains without steroids sure, but so can everyone else, and technically you never unlock your full potential (honestly, not being a bitch but I thought everyone took steroids to increase their potential and achieve goals faster, if you couldnt achieve the results without them period, i assume there would be a ton less all-natural competitors.)
* The whole idea of supplementing your natural hormones is to raise the levels up and gain more wieght than you naturally would. If you don't think you want to develope your muscles and strength to above a natural level it would be much safer to just work hard and do it naturally. Also if you want to do this and have been sick for a while you should have a full blood work up done before to make sure you are within normal limits in every area. Have one done after PCT also to make sure you have returned to normal limits.

3. Not my first cycle, I actually built this cycle reading about peoples inputs and the profiles off of steroidtips.com.(I actually think thats the site you were referring to marooned. I could be wrong but the link wouldnt work for me.)
* Okay so not your first cycle, but first with Test if I am reading this right. My opinion Test should be the base of every cycle, bulking and cutting. It is natural and it is needed. So wanting to make safe maintainable gains I would suggest Test E at 500mg/wk followed by good PCT. The site I was talking about is www.steroidsprofiles.com I mistyped it first, my bad. Read up on Test E, Tren, Primo, Winstrol, Masteron, and Anavar. You may decide on going with fewer compounds at once or different ones at least. Also read up on the Clen and T3 which I don't think you would ever need after this cycle if you do as much cardio as you say, or if you run Tren or Winstrol or Anavar later in the cycle.

4. Ill keep the clen fact in mind, honestly though, Weight is of no concern to me. I estimated that 20 - 30lbs gain because maybe I overestimated the power of the Tren and Test together. However I'm definately not a hardgainer, I stay lean cause I have an arab body, but I have Irish heritage and i kinda am a genetic freak, my odd heritage mix kinda lets me move weight well, gaining or cutting. (Least thats the only thing i can explain it with).
* Thats a lot of wieght to add in a short time even if you are a freak. A dangerous amount IMO if you could make it. The weight you gain will need to be maintained for a year before your body will adjust to that being your naturally maintainable weight, keep that in mind as I am sure you don't want to lose your gains to sickness as you have recently.

5. Already did two a days, nothing new.
* Too much cardio will limit your wieght gains and you will have to adjust your diet to that much cardio also. You said weight doesn't matter to you but just lettting you know it will be hard to put on pounds doing 2hrs of cardio a day.

6. Im probrably not going to run T3 anymore, maybe not the clen either now that Ive seen what you say because I do want to gain some weight for faster strength gains but I doubt I'll stop running and swimming. I would quit running but my dog cant come swim laps and Im not letting him get fat either, so...
* Do me a favor and don't start your dog on gear with you.

7. This ones for doug. I didn't think my expectations were enormous honestly. (Gained 18 pounds just on 150mg of Winny a week if my memory serves me right, over 10 weeks.) Im not trying to go from being a starved arab rebel or some shit to being Franco Columbo you know, just wanted to get lookin nice for the summer, which is why I picked out those cutters. I could care less where my weight is at post cycle, I just wanted to gain all the strength I could while I was doing this cycle without puffing up. Maybe I should just do a solid str cycle and solid cutting cycle though, Ill keep it in mind. I dont plan to do way to many more cycles though.
* I don't hold a lot of water with Test E after a few weeks, nothing like D-bol. Like I said before adding some Winstrol, Anavar, or Tren later in the cycle would cut you up like what you want. IMO no oral should be ran longer 6wks. Running Winny for 10wks was hard on your liver even if you didn't know it. I haven't ever made gains like that from Winny either .

8. And finally, Im pretty avid about not doing D-bol. Honestly kinda scares the shit out of me you know. Everyone says its the best out there out of my friends that have taken it and they all love it, but I can't be convinced. I refuse to take it.
* All AAS should scare you enough to learn about them before you consider starting them. How much does having your natural balance thrown off enough to kill your sex drive scare you ? I hope it scares you enoug to spend more time researching PCT than you do researching the gear. Also I don't think you should take D-bol if you don't care about making the 20-30lbs.

I appreciate the advice though, taking it to heart. Keep it coming.

*

 

[DesertRocker]

I thought about anavar, just a little to expensive. When I was talking to a buddy about it he was the one that suggested the prim instead. After reading up on it it seemed ok. The Winny wasn't oral(Never done any orals, always thought the side effects were more pronounced with them, i was willing to experiment with anavar.) Ive always gotten my doc to check up on me post cycle, thought clomid was pretty much all I would need. Im still young so I just assumed my body was more prepared to get its test up with help over other peoples who are maybe over thirty. Kinda wish Id have never said nothing about weight, I think some are getting hung up on it but o well. Live and learn. I'm looking to make the best str gains I can while staying lean and cut for the summer. Im not concerned about putting on to much weight though because I can move weight fairly well to be wherever I want to be. If anyone has some cycle they did thats not to expensive I'm interested to see. My dogs rott/chow, giving him gear would make one of the meanest things i think ive ever seen, think ill steer clear of creating that.

 

[huck212]

well the only thing i would add and i dont know if anyone mentioned this but if you are gonna go through with this cycle dont take clomid right after your last shot you need to wait a little bit like until the half life of the substance has worn off

 

[marooned]

By the sound of it you haven't made a purchase yet. If you have the gear you listed and want to put it into a better cycle put that in the reply. If not then I will make a suggestion on a good cycle for the results you want. You will probably get several different answers on basic cycles and this is my opinion. I have ran Test alone and this combo with good resluts.

Test E or C, 500mg/wk, wks 1-10, inj. 250mg 2x wk
This will give good results with low sides. Can't go wrong with this.

Test E or C, 500mg/wk, wks 1-12
Anavar, 50mg/day wks 1-6
Tren Ace, 100mg/EOD wks 7-14
This will add much more strength and end with you more cut up. Also adds possibility of sides from Tren. This isn't a beginner cycle as you will add serious amounts of strength.

Before starting anything have all the PCT you will need in your hand. Have plenty of Nolvadex on hand in case you feel Gyno coming on, starting with sensitive nipples. If it does, start Nolvadex at 20mg/day until the sensitivity is gone then stop it until PCT begins. Clomid will not work for Gyno like Nolvadex does so you can't substitue it here.

For PCT you will need a SERM, I think Nolvadex is better in all aspects so that is what I use. You need to wait until the levels of Test and gear in your blood is low enough you need to start a SERM, so wait for 2wks after your last shot of Test. Then start Nolvadex at 20mg/day for 4 wks.

If you really want to stay dry during the cycle you could also run an AI with it. Arimidex at .5mg/EOD would cut estrogen and estrogen realted sides a lot. Probably not necessary but wouldn't hurt.

The site that I listed for checking each compound you want to use also has articles on it about PCT. This site also has a lot of good info on the functions of SERMs, AIs, all PCT. I encourage you to read all you can about what each does. PCT is the key to keeping gains and maintaining your life while you are on cycle.

These are my opinions and by no means is it the only way to do it. 20-30lbs is not going to happen, but I do believe that 12-15 maintainable lbs of muscle could happen with the right diet and PCT. Good luck.