Dan Duchaine: heres some old school stuff for you.

[DOGGCRAPP]

Hey Dante,

Do you remember back in the day (pre and early 2000’s), before the internet as we know it today,
there was the usenet newsgroups and misc.fitness.weights? The likes of Dan Duchaine, Pat Arnold,
Bill Roberts, Bruce Nadler, Bruce Kneller, Will Brink and the infamous Robert Schuh. All would
post openly about s teroid usage, training, diet, etc . . . Man-oh-man did they ever have some knock-
down, drag-out fights. This was before we had moderators. That was an amazing time. Makes the
stuff we see here look like child’s play, rank beginners by comparison. And you could learn something too
if you paid attention . . . you could hear it straight from the horse’s mouth and not from the other
end . . . hahah.

I was a “lurker” back then (still am mostly) and don’t recall if you contributed to that forum back then;
would love to hear your thoughts if you did . . .

~alfresco

I did but i probably only had 35 or so posts on there.....the reason was there was a guy on there that (I dont want to say his name as he is still around) that was having some mental issues. He got obsessed with me. He got obsessed with Shawn Ray and obsessed with Bill Phillips (who got a restraining order on him I believe)....and obsessed with alot of people in the bodybuilding arena....it was really weird. He especially got obsessed with some of the fitness/figure and less androgenic bodybuilding girls. If I posted on MFW, his obsession with me would skyrocket. I would repeatedly tell him "Jesus i'm nobody, just a gymrat, what the hell are you so interested in me for?" Through the grapevine i heard he had called a pro bodybuilder's pager (as you remember thats what they had back then) something like 350 times in a day....he would call people and pretend to be other bodybuilders. Got a slew of people mad at each other by pretending to be people he wasnt. I had a 800 number in which people could order books/back issues etc....the 800 number would show what number called it....this kid called that 800 number something like 168 times in a month....If i remember, I think i got him blocked from calling that so he got my home phone number and used to call and hang up or would talk as someone else (ATT operator or some bullcrap) but he had 'a certain accent' from a part of the USA and I would recognize his voice from talking to him previously.....It went on for awhile, I finally had to look him up, call his parents and tell them that their 19-23 year old son was 'going off the deep end here'.....and they understood....because this obviously was like the 75th time he had gotten obsessed with someone....and it stopped. If i said his name you would know it in a heartbeat...I dont want to though because he eventually got on the proper medication I believe and has gotten better.....and has emailed me from time to time over the years and seems ok now. You probably already know who I am talking about when i said his obsession for Bill Phillips and Shawn Ray....but probably didnt know the extent of the people he got weird on. I'd like to fill you in on some more details on some of the things he would do but there are alot of messed up people in this sport who would probably copycat some of the things he did.....there are alot of people in this endeavor who live and die by the soap opera of bodybuilding and "who is dating who, who got in an argument with who",....he was one of them. Thats stuff that doesnt really interest me....but that kid needed to somehow hear gossip or be somehow involved in bodybuilding gossip to the point of obsession.

 

[Bio]

I fondly remember 80's and 90's bodybuilding as well as what Dan Duchaine offered during this period! Dan seems to make the point that back then it was more about sensible AAS/Ancillary usage combined with a diet that best suited the persons body type! It also seems that those with the genetics for bodybuilding were the ones that rose to the top with sensible AAS cycles!! Now, everybody seems to think that they can get there too, as long as they take more and more drugs!! As time goes on, I really feel a sadness for what's happening in bodybuilding.

 

[Ironraider]

Love the DD readings. I know I have at least one of his "books" on PDF, maybe more. Never get's old!

Thanks for posting D! BTW...can you post your cell number...I need to call you...ahem...a few hundred times!

 

[robertfhub]

Thanks for that Dogcrapp!
I'm really feelin' my age now. I read all Dan's stuff and at the time I was the only guy doing any real research. NONE of the guys I lifted with(all of them juicin) new any real details about what they were putting in there bodies. (my local source used to ask me about details) I was on those user-net groups back in the day and it was really crazy..........
Try to imagine what the sport will be like in 20 years! I'm having a hard time with it.

 

[K1]

A great article:headbang:

 

[ksweave]

good read thx Dante.

 

[PYGMY]

You dont look very hard do you...LOL Theres pics of me all over the place (probably 300 plus over the years) **broken link removed** ...and videos Video 11 - YouTube

Picture 008.avi - YouTube <---hardcore

and me singing "Hero" by Mariah Carey....ok thats ones not true

I'll be damned. For some reason I always thought you were a black guy.

 

[aussiebulldog]

I'll be damned. For some reason I always thought you were a black guy.

No it is Skip...

 

[mountaindog1]

I did but i probably only had 35 or so posts on there.....the reason was there was a guy on there that (I dont want to say his name as he is still around) that was having some mental issues. He got obsessed with me. He got obsessed with Shawn Ray and obsessed with Bill Phillips (who got a restraining order on him I believe)....and obsessed with alot of people in the bodybuilding arena....it was really weird. He especially got obsessed with some of the fitness/figure and less androgenic bodybuilding girls. If I posted on MFW, his obsession with me would skyrocket. I would repeatedly tell him "Jesus i'm nobody, just a gymrat, what the hell are you so interested in me for?" Through the grapevine i heard he had called a pro bodybuilder's pager (as you remember thats what they had back then) something like 350 times in a day....he would call people and pretend to be other bodybuilders. Got a slew of people mad at each other by pretending to be people he wasnt. I had a 800 number in which people could order books/back issues etc....the 800 number would show what number called it....this kid called that 800 number something like 168 times in a month....If i remember, I think i got him blocked from calling that so he got my home phone number and used to call and hang up or would talk as someone else (ATT operator or some bullcrap) but he had 'a certain accent' from a part of the USA and I would recognize his voice from talking to him previously.....It went on for awhile, I finally had to look him up, call his parents and tell them that their 19-23 year old son was 'going off the deep end here'.....and they understood....because this obviously was like the 75th time he had gotten obsessed with someone....and it stopped. If i said his name you would know it in a heartbeat...I dont want to though because he eventually got on the proper medication I believe and has gotten better.....and has emailed me from time to time over the years and seems ok now. You probably already know who I am talking about when i said his obsession for Bill Phillips and Shawn Ray....but probably didnt know the extent of the people he got weird on. I'd like to fill you in on some more details on some of the things he would do but there are alot of messed up people in this sport who would probably copycat some of the things he did.....there are alot of people in this endeavor who live and die by the soap opera of bodybuilding and "who is dating who, who got in an argument with who",....he was one of them. Thats stuff that doesnt really interest me....but that kid needed to somehow hear gossip or be somehow involved in bodybuilding gossip to the point of obsession.

Haha - and he almost reappeared lately too! I think he went back into hiding..

 

[K1]

...and videos Video 11 - YouTube

Gotta love the advertisement videos afterwards with your car

 

[HUMALOG]

I was a subscriber to the Hardcore Newsletter and had them all saved in a shoe box for many many years.

 

[MR. BMJ]

lol, I remember that guy back then....glad to at least hear he stopped and got semi-normal...or some control of himself. LOL @ calling his parents

Yea, the mfw days were epic, I was only like 19 years old then, and that was an intimidating group, with everybody flaming each other and stuff. I may have had 1-5 posts total on that newsgroup...lol!

 

[MR. BMJ]

Speaking of old posts and silicone injects.....here's a few old school guys, who were all a part of a select private group at the time in the 90's, of which i was able to also be a part of. It also has Dan conversing with Nadler at the time on implants


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Posted by PRizz 10/24/1997:
This is a topic that I was gonna bring up too. I really need PA's
expertise here. He says that MCT oil by some company (Parillo?) is the
same oil. I wanna know if the Parillo is the only one you can shoot?

P Rizz

The problem I have with the MCT is Pat said you would have to inject like
5cc at a time into the biceps. I've done only 1cc in the bi with the Pump
'n Pose synthol and I can't see myself ever doing anymore than 2 in the bi
at a time. Yesterday, I did some more synthol in the arm, 1cc in the bi,
3cc in the outer tri and 1cc in the rear triceps. I was kind of
dissappointed because I didn't get the normal effect where it swells up
within thirty minutes, but when I woke up today my triceps were fuckin
huge. For some reason, it didn't cause the swelling or size increase
until several hours after taking it. The previous times I noticed almost
immediate increase in size.

Brian Raupp
Anabolex Research

Flex had a good report on Synthol. It's sold here as Pump and Pose-sterile
posing oil. From those who have used it, I hear it is painful but will
cause muscle fullness lasting for several months. Personally, I think it is
dangerous. You're injecting a large quanitity of oil blindly into the
muscle. This can be picked up by the blood stream and travel to your lungs,
brain etc. Infections and abscesses can also result.

Bruce J. Nadler, M.D.
World's Strongest Plastic Surgeon

I'm glad you've heard of people getting good results as well. I sell the
stuff, but honestly I think it works very well. As far as side-effects,
an embolism is probably the worst thing to worry about, but this shouldn't
be a problem as long as you pull back to check for blood before injecting.
The Pump 'n Pose oil should be very sterile. It was recently FDA approved
so it can be legally sold as posing oil.

Brian Raupp

Dan Duchaine wrote:
You shouldn't use American-made MCT as the domestic MCT
has too much C6. You need Huls Mygliol 810.

The after-effects offer some pain, but the actual injections are painless.

I don't think this point matters to those that would use synthol, considering
the exact same concerns could be stated for injecting oil-based anabolics as
well. As one should aspirate all injections, this would include (especially)
synthol.

Duchaine has mentioned a plethora of times on the plausibility of using an
injectible-based silicone to achieve the same effect - care to comment
on this, Doctor Nadler?

DJR

My concern here is the volume of material being injected. Even a large
stack of oil based steroids is rarely going to exceed 5 cc's. The chance of
the large bore needle slipping into a blood vessel even after you aspirated
increases with the time and volume of the injection.
Injectable silicone is a interesting idea. You would have to use multiple
small injections to allow the silicone to anchor into place like multiple
mini-implants. If too much were to be used at one time, gravity might cause
pooling in an undesirable location. The idea would be to fill the space
between muscle fibers to increase the thickness of the muscle in the desired
location. Silicone wouldn't give you the inflammatory reaction that
probably contributes to some of the Synthol effect.

Bruce J. Nadler, M.D.

DDuchaine wrote:

Bruce: do you think that the synthol bolus is encapulated
with collagen? The question is: eventually when the synthol
is gone, if encapsulation has happened, would the collagen
break down also.? If not, would be hazards of it being there?
Is there any way of seeing encapsulation if it happening?

Where's Dante when you need him (hopefully he's busy mailing out issue
13) but shouldnt he be in on this thread???

and anybody have any cruise suggestions...major criteria is souvenir
shopping.

Steve Kline

Ok, now you really got me confused Dan. Where can you get this
type of MCT? PA says Parrillo is good enough. Do you agree?
P Rizz

DDuchaine wrote:
The possibility is that the extra C6 in the American MCT
might make it more painful.

Viper wrote:
Yes, Dan it might be but at a difference of $40.00 as compared to
$399.00. If you think it's just as good, I can put up with a little more
pain for that price difference.

You read my mind Mr Viper. So I went ahead and took it a step
further. I just shot 1cc of GNC's Pro Performance MCT oil in each
Tricep. I shot it at the top of the Horseshoe in the muscle to try to
make a central point. I know guys are using 3cc of Synthol in the
Tricep, but I wanted to start with 1cc just to see if it would hurt. I
used a 5/8th, 25 gauge needle. Went in smooth as silk, didn't hurt a
bit. I will let you know if I notice anything, but I'm not sure how
long Synthol takes to give visual results for a comparisson. Later.
P Rizz

I was skimming through MuscleMag at the store. Didn't catch the whole
article but I think it said something about the effects lasting up to five
years. I can't see this happening.

Brian Raupp

P rizz, The synthol barely hurts at all, at least not for me in the arms. It's a
minor soreness, but nothing unbearable for someone with an average
tolerance to pain. I've never tried calves, but this maybe where it is
more painful.

Brian Raupp

Dan, If the pain caused by injecting MCT is only slightly greater than that of
synthol, I imagine most people would be able to tolerate it.

Brian Raupp

Klein, I think he is busy with his newsletter. He could be a help on this thread
because I know he knows a lot of people that have been using this.

Brian Raupp

Dan,
A CAT scan would probably show encapsulation around the oil bolus. It would
be similar to the capsule that forms around breast implants. As with any
scar tissue, the body would remodel it once the oil is absorbed and it would
gradually thin but not be lost entirely. The synthol would have to persist
for at least six weeks for a significant capsule to form.

Bruce J. Nadler, M.D.

Prizz, The first time I tried synthol, I did 1cc in the bi and one in the tri. I
noticed a huge difference in the bi and only a slight increase in size in
the triceps, but I think you should definitely notice something if MCT is
the equivalent of synthol. It takes about half an hour for the synthol to
take effect and then from my experience swelling reaches a peak about 12
hours later. Every time I've done synthol was before a workout in the
evening. I would always notice a good amount of swelling during the
workout and later, but then the next day my arms would be huge. Anyways,
P Rizz, I think you should be using a bigger pin, probably 1.5inch but 25
guage is what you want. The only place I can see the 5/8inch being enough
is in the bi if you are only injecting 1cc. I don't think the 5/8inch are
long enough, at least not for me. The times I tried using 5/8 inch, I got
an unnatural looking lump, probably just because the synthol wasn't put in
deep enough. I would definitely recommend a longer needle, especially on
tris. I use the 1.5inch and stick it practically all the way in when
doing outside tris, but I have pretty big tris. You probably should only
be putting it in about 3/4 inch to 1 inch deep.

Brian Raupp

Hey Brian,
I just want you to know I'm not knocking your price for synthol it's
about the same as with other peoples. I'm sure you are charged out the
ass for it by the supplier. It's just that parrillos is $40.00 for 32
oz. and you can't argue with that much of a difference if both do the
same thing. Still keep up the good work with Anabolex Research. I like
it!
Viper

Viper,
Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that the stuff is expensive, and you're
right, I do pay a lot for it. If Parillos does the same thing and is
sterile, that is great news. I just want to let everyone the synthol does
work. I think the secret to success with it is just putting in enough on
regular basis. I've only used a little bit so far. Looking at the
bottle, I still have more than half left. Anyways, last night I got a
little crazy and tried doing a lot more. I used a total of 7cc in each
arm. 2 in the bi, 3 in outside tri, and 2 in the rear tri. The results I
got from this were amazing. It appears that synthol is very similar to
juice in the sense that the more you use the bigger you get.

Brian Raupp

DDuchaine wrote:

Viper, The HULS Mygliol 810 is only about 20 cents more a pound than
the Stokely one. It's just most people don't know that HULS is still
in the country.

I think you're phonetically confused Dan, it's not Mygliol, it's Miglyol.

And HULS (American distribution) can be contacted at (number deleted), but
I don't know if they will sell to private individuals.

DJR

Bruce,
MRI would do a much better job than would CT. In MR we use vit E. Caps for
localization
Anything soft tissue we see much better that CT except in the chest itself.

Viper

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Haha - and he almost reappeared lately too! I think he went back into hiding..

LOLOL I forgot about that..... you John were an iota away from being phone called, emailed and texted 248 times a day.

 

[cac3071]

Dr. Nadler did my friend's surgery back around 2000. Seemed like a cool guy.

 

[stacked1]

Speaking of old posts and silicone injects.....here's a few old school guys, who were all a part of a select private group at the time in the 90's, of which i was able to also be a part of. It also has Dan conversing with Nadler at the time on implants


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Good shit Mr. BMJ, really enjoyed reading that, thanks!

 

[Bio]

Dr. Nadler did my friend's surgery back around 2000. Seemed like a cool guy.

It's too bad he went off the deep end and killed his wife and himself!

 

[hotrod]

I miss Dan, quirky yes, but one helluva guy. Can honestly say I know what I know because of him pushing me to do better and research stuff more, and back then it was a pain in the ass,no internet,hours in the library. That was in the early 80's,wow fucking time fly's. He was one the few people that made going to jail, work out and profit from it. He was always thought of as being a dick, but he would do anything for his friends and athletes. Still miss his articles and sarcasm.

 

[turbobusa]

Unique guy . Knew a few of his "crew" j----r and couple others.
Man those were the days early- mid 80s. Had an absolute blast.
DD was one smart mfer. If he had a hunch he would investigate , research
and confirm good idea or waste of time. To me a definite icon in this game.
T

 

[pattyd]

I totally remember when the underground steroid handbook came out. It had these weird paper so u couldn't photo copy it. People were shocked at the cycles pro's used, HGH cost $600+ a kit. Bottle of real drol, syntex. 2902 went for $250-300.

Eq or ganabol came in a 50cc jug, 50mg per. It was a big deal to do 6cc a week of 50mgnovo eq for 8a weeks. That with test was a big deal. Times have changed, I only started with HGH a few months years ago. Deca would be $20 for a 200mg vial.and I that's $200 a bottle. What do we pay-$30-50, depending who u use.

Wow, this was late 80's, wasn't til around 98-9950 when I discovered this scene ..